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I rarely get offended, but I say this unironically. Windows 11 is genuinely offensive. It seems like it was designed from the ground up to personally piss me off.
Dogshit interfaces (you have to to click on a separate menu to go to the full context menu)
Dogshit mind numbing widgets (everything is considered BREAKING NEWS)
Dogshit search (oh you installed a program? Will let me bring up a random bing search as the top result, unless you delete 1 character)
I hit windows and type, and there’s like a 3 second delay before results post, then the results have ads
I wonder if the delay is due to real time bidding lol
I refused to use 11, but 10 was already messy enough when trying to actually configure things like TCP/IP settings.
you open network settings which was Windows 10 themed, but useless, you click the link for “change adapter settings” which opened a Windows 7 dialog box listing adapters, you right click the adapter and open settings, which opens the old Windows 2000 dialog box, select IPv4, open settings, another Windows 2000 dialog box, which is tabbed for no discernible reason, unlike all the other boxes.
what a fucking ui/ux shitshow
I have to use Windows for work and it’s easily the worst thing about my job. Using windows brings me nothing but pain.
My work computer is osx I wish to perish
Mac OS is miles ahead of windows when it comes to usability. Atleast it’s smooth even when running on a 4 year old laptop unlike Windows which runs like shit even on latest hardware.
More and more people are saying this!
I’m fortunate enough my work computer allows me access to regedit because I was able to turn off web searches in the start menu. It’s so ridiculous there isn’t an option in the UI to do that.
I hate how I no longer have the option for small taskbar icons. That had been an option since Vista. There used to be a regedit workaround, but a recent update removed it for some godforsaken reason!
I remember when windows briefly removed the “uninstall programs” tab inside control panel to “prevent mistakes” by users lol. I was like in high school and couldn’t be more pissed off
Microsoft will be hoping a blitz of “AI everything, everywhere, all at once” marketing campaigns will prompt users to upgrade to Windows 11.
Lmao it still cracks me up how the rich don’t realise how much people fucking hate AI.
They seem to have no concept of how much AI creeps people out. They just expect people to like it because they told them to embrace it as the new thing.
The ruling class is so out of touch and naive, it’s mind boggling.
literally. Like that is not a selling point at all. I don’t even like the little ai think they put on 10, I turned that shit off immediately
It’s only good for useless busywork like cover letters
I think most people like being able to open ChatGPT and ask it a question.
What they don’t like is the horror version of clippy having escaped it’s sealed crypt, being interwoven into every fabric of the OS, by means of the phylactery MSWord, and consuming all that remains.
From an /r/technology thread, emphasis mine
It isn’t really even about the software, it is the hardware requirements. Win 11 with the TPM modules and required chips will always mean it has limited share at least for some time. Many machines simply can’t upgrade to Windows 11 from 10. Windows 10 will have staying power like Windows XP due to that.
I like Windows 11 and all machines updated except for one from 2016 that is more of a fun computer that just can’t justify putting money in it for the TPM or updated chip.
Yeah, this isn’t people downgrading to windows 10, or refusing to update. Rather, this is because people are upgrading to Windows 10, and LOTS of existing computers are old and do not meet the hardware requirements for Windows 11.
Windows 10: 70.03% (+0.96 points) Windows 11: 25.65% (-0.97 points)
Those are percentages of the total. It may be some people downgrading but it’s not worth it. More likely there are more Windows computers and the bulk of them end up on windows 10.
The “Microsoft is washed, people don’t like 11 anymore” angle is tempting but I think it’s the less likely reason compared to an increase in sold hardware that literally cannot run 11
I built my PC in 2018 and it cost thousands of dollars. It does not meet the hardware requirements.
I updated my mobo in I think 2020 and it doesn’t meet requirements lol.
That doesn’t really check out. People upgrading to 10 would explain 10’s share going up (at the expense of earlier versions), not 11’s going down.
People buying new computers doesn’t work well as an explanation either; it’d require over 2% of all Windows users to have bought new Windows 10 computers in the last few months. When presumably a brand new computer would be on 11.
since market share is a proportional statistic, any increase in the market share of one thing must correspond with a decrease in others. If I’ve sold 1 apple and 1 pear, the market share of each is 50%. If I sell an additional apple, the apple share increases to 66% while the pear share decreases to 33% despite no actual drop in pear sales.
Like I said above, that’d require over 2% of all Windows installs to be new installations of Windows 10.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i remain similarly skeptical that so many people would be actively downgrading their OS. for the vast, vast majority of people any qualms with W11 aren’t going to lead to learning how to reinstall a fresh OS. there’s got to be something more going on
The same site also shows Windows overall useage going down in the same time
I’d love to say it’s people getting so fed up with Win11 that they install Linux, but judging by the graph and how these stats are collected (percent of page views), I think it’s actually Win11 users getting so sick of it that they browse the internet with their phones more often.
Disagree with any assertion its not software. I won’t go from 10 to 11 even if I get a TPM card. I’m forced to use it at work and its incredibly bad. Like dollar store Windows 8.
It’s just another layer of UI on top of windows XP. You still hit XP dialogs when you have to do anything useful. Now you just have to get there through 11 -> 10 -> 7 -> XP and if you really need to do something useful you’ll hit a DOS prompt at some point.
Easy to install windows 11 as long has you have a CPU less than about 15 years old. MS just makes it slightly more inconvenient and won’t tell you that you can do that.
I think I know how Microsoft will respond to this. 12 will be worse than 11.
Windows has a long history of every second version being shit. 2000->XP, Vista->7, 8->10, 11->Something slightly less shit than 11?
I think they’ll dial back some of the most visible bad parts, while keeping whatever are the most profitable, and a lot of people will go along with it.
Windows people seriously should just use Linux Mint though.
I fear my data getting formated over and stupid commamd line shit in sudo nok bu si fus ra da just to do basic shit like install a program.
Linux Mint has a terminal because it’s nice to have, but you’ll never need to use it to do daily stuff
You install programs in Linux Mint using this thing.
You install programs in
Linux MintGaruda Linux using this thing.Telling a new user to use the AUR is a form of active griefing.
Ignore videos about vim or windows manager vs. tile manager or any of that bullshit. You don’t need that shit at all. I go into these things just because it’s quick snd enjoyable sometimes, but I literally do not care about being “efficient” at programming. I don’t care about saving 5.23 seconds changing navigating through a folder with my keyboard. I will use my arrow keys. I will use my mouse. I will use an editor with a debugger, thank you.
I use Linux as a daily desktop. I do use my terminal often, but that’s because I find it easy, but literally 99% of the things I do don’t require it. Just download most things from the App Store, install games, click play.
Sometimes you’ll need to tweak certain settings to get a game working. It’s annoying, but if you’re comfortable editing game files to mod then this is no different. Many tools exist, and sometimes you don’t even need a tool. You just click and drag a file to your game folder.
Someone really needs to make an introduction to Linux video where not a single command line is used to get things up and running lol. As easy as it is, people see a terminal and they shit themselves. Understandable, but that’s why you need to show that these distros exist to draw in people who never want to touch a command line.
95/98/ME was kind of the other way around. 95? Shitty, unstable OS. 95B/SR2? Surprisingly stable, by Win95 standards. 95C/SR2.5? Shitty OS again because of the Internet Explorer integration baked into everything in the fucking shell.
Same deal with 98 – the initial release was a crash-prone mess, but 98 SE fixed a lot of that through improved hardware support.
…and then there’s Windows ME, which was just dogshit all around. Love it when my OS decides to optimize a slow-ass PATA disk and corrupt the kernel while doing so.
(And Vista was just 7 with really nonsensical branding/segmentation, and released for use on hardware that hadn’t caught up yet. Vista Ultimate was legit if you had a beefy enough CPU and tuned a few things in the OS.)
I have windows 11 on my new computer and it sucks. I think windows 7 was the last one where I didn’t think it sucked to use. Even just setting up my computer with windows 11 was a pain in the ass, since they make you have an internet connection and use their garbage windows account system. Microsoft is such a trash company.
I didn’t need an account to image a computer with windows as long as there’s no internet. It just boots me right into the desktop once I finish the setup and skip the account registration
Windows 8.1 was all right if you could tolerate the giant tiles start screen bullshit – adding multiple desktops was a good move, and brought it up to parity with like 1985-vintage AmigaOS or 2008ish GNOME/Wayland. It performed OK, too, since it threw out all the Aero transparency effects that would burn GPU cycles just sitting on the desktop. Unfortunately, 8 also marked the beginning of breaking up the Control Panel apps into touchscreen-friendly counterparts with missing functionality, and 8.1, 10, and 11 have definitely doubled down on that.
8 was an UX nightmare.
3 different IEs, 2 different control panels each with different functions. 2 different UI paradigms in the same os for some reason.
For you, it was the day that your OS was a UI/UX nightmare. For MiKKKro$oft, it was Tuesday.
Lmao I’m old enough to remember everyone being up in arms about how much win10 sucked (mostly as a reaction to the shit show win8 was). So it’s fun to see turnabout being fair play.
Bring back Windows 2000 service pack 4!
Windows NT peaked with 2000 and it has been downhill since then.
Hard agree.
Just remembered your comment exists and wanted to come into this stale thread and say
You are completely correct
My dream operating system is Plan 9 with the UI/aesthetic of Windows 2000
Cuz as pretty as it is it’s still some weird object-oriented VAX/VMS abomination on the inside
We must return to DOS
I think I’ve gotta Timex Sinclair zx81 in the garage if we wannna go further back.
me too bit tbf its getting worse and worse
I switched to Linux full time back when they were desperately trying to EoL Vista to get everyone on 10.
Suffering Windows users, embrace salvation! Install Fedora (KDE spin for a similar feel), you won’t regret it.
My only blocker is making sure the audio equipment and software I want to run will actually work. Are there Linux flavors with good compatibility for Ableton, USB audio interfaces, and USB devices like the Ableton Push? Is it going to freak out if I try to hook up a Roland SP404 to it via USB-C?
I’ve heard enough nightmare stories about Linux and hardware that keeps me away.
I don’t really know. There’s probably a way to run ableton through Wine or Bottles (tools for running windows programs) but I can’t guarentee that the specific equipment would work. I use a USB microphone that works fine, but that’s probably much less complex.
Yeah that’s the fear. For my “daily driver” yes, I should be on Ubuntu or something. For the audio work I’m probably stuck with either Apple or Microsoft OSs.
Doing audio production work on Linux is not great, unfortunately.
Once again, I am asking you to use Nobara Linux (default DE is KDE Plasma). Filthy gamers, take note.
It. Just. Fucking. Works. https://hexbear.net/post/1602955
Nobara project link: https://nobaraproject.org/
I’m considering of installing a Linux OS on my system. What is so special about Nobara?
If you’re into PC gaming, Nobara basically sets everything up for you out of the box. Nobara is from the same developer who made the ProtonGE compatiblity layer for Steam, GloriousEggroll. That version of Proton has been rock solid. With KDE Plasma, you also get the look and feel of Windows without the bloat.
Like I always say, Nobara just works.
I assume that, unlike Garuda, it also isn’t loaded with bloat?
Also, how does it compare to Arch? How much more effort would it take one to set up the ability to play games when one should be reading Marx and Engelking?
All I did was run the installer from USB, create my account, and clicked a button to run updates to get the latest software and drivers.
Took less than 20 minutes.
Anyone asking about arch instead of already using arch should use something with more robust tech support.
It’s significantly easier than most to break because of how its design is made to get out of the way of seasoned users.
The wiki is some of the best univeraally applocable documentation to exist, but if spending 90 mins trawling an article in the hopes of un-fucking your boot drive isn’t something that sounds enriching to you, use something else.
I simply haven’t got around to dedicating enough time to experimenting with Arch yet, which is why I haven’t installed it or any other Linux OS yet. Generally, people seem to have a high opinion of Arch, and I would rather both use the opportunity to study how operating systems in general work, and to have a system that gives me more options, even at the expense of immediate lack of convenience.
I also want to know more about my options, not less, so I will not be adopting lack of curiosity as an approach.
