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U.S. President Donald Trump said Tuesday he wants his country to take ownership of the Gaza Strip and redevelop it after Palestinians are displaced elsewhere.
“We will own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site,” Trump said at the start of a joint news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
“I do see a long-term ownership position,” Trump said when asked about the U.S. controlling the territory for an extended period, adding that he is not ruling out sending U.S. troops in to secure Gaza.
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Trump’s comments came hours after he suggested that displaced Palestinians in Gaza be “permanently” resettled outside the war-torn territory.
“You can’t live in Gaza right now. I think we need another location,” Trump said earlier Tuesday.
“I think it should be a location that’s going to make people happy. You look over the decades, it’s all death in Gaza. This has been happening for years. It’s all death. If we can get a beautiful area to resettle people, permanently, in nice homes where they can be happy and not be shot and not be killed and not be knifed to death like what’s happening in Gaza.”
Trump has previously called on Jordan, Egypt and other Arab countries to take in Palestinians temporarily while Gaza is reconstructed after the devastating war between Hamas and Israel, which was paused in January by a ceasefire. Tuesday was the first time he has publicly floated making that resettlement permanent.
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This is so fucking stupid that I had to check other sources on what he said, to confirm it. (It does.)
No, it is not just immoral, it’s also fucking stupid. Why would he get the Palestinians or the State of Israel pissed, if he can get both pissed at the same time? The State of Israel doesn’t see those lands as belonging to some
bananamaize republic dammit, it sees those lands as belonging to itself.inb4: “but Netanyahu said he was thinking outside the box with fresh ideas! That it’s unconventional thinking!”. Well, his reply is superficially polite (likely to avoid the offend the other Nazi’s precious-oh-so-precious ego), but it’s non-committing and can be easily understood as “this is crazy talk”.
It gets worse. So far the State of Israel has been trying to masquerade the genocide against Palestinians as a self-defence war. Now with Trump suggesting ethnic genocide, more people will ask “wait a minute… isn’t that what Israel is doing already?” (Yes, it is.)
Thank goodness the literal heroes who refused to vote for Harris prevented this.
So brave. So admirable. So incredibly thoughtful. What foresight.
You might want to ask the Palestinian journalists who told American voters that it doesn’t matter who is in office. Start with Bisan. I’d love to see you bark up a Palestinian’s tree who lost easily 150 people in* their family. It’s crazy to see people gloat over 800,000 dead people like this.
what a sad lack of reading comprehension is on display here.
Yea - I must be illiterate for not wanting to emphasize a working class wedge.
I must be illiterate for listening to:
- Seraj (Gazan Journalist)
- Wally Rashid (Palestinian Journalist)
- PSL (Palestinian Activism Group)
- CAIR (Muslim Legal Foundation)
- Jewish Voices for Peace (Obvious is obvious)
- Shireen Falasteen (Palestinian Activist)
- Bisan (Gazan Journalist)
- Dr. Huassam (may he me saved)
- Hossam Shbat (Gaza Journalist)
- Mostafa Jaser (Gaza Journalist)
- and a number of other Palestinian activists and journalists.
Yea. Illiterate. That must be it.
Do you have a list of activists and journalists you read and follow on a daily basis? Care to share?
literally doesn’t matter who they are. their strategy was to force kamala to exert pressure to stop the genocide. it failed… now palestine is even more fucked
congrats, there was a huge amount of people that told them it was risky. the risk didn’t pay off… now is the find out phase, and that is depressing as fuck
It’s bad for you and me now. It’s been bad for the rest since before now. Enjoy your wedge.
No, it was bad for Gaza before. Now it is totally fucked.
Maybe things would have not gotten better under a Harris Presidency. They may have even gotten worse. They would not have gotten this fucked this fast. People are about to find out just how fucked and hopeless it can get with the USA backing Netanyahu unconditionally.
Gloat? Hello? I’m furious. The people who pushed this angle successfully fucked the world up for a bunch of people including themselves.
They may literally have wiped us out. All of us. They almost certainly doomed millions to die of entirely preventable environmental disasters.
For what? Hyperbole? Spite? Fucking really?
Everyone’s angry. 800,000 people are dead. Everyone is mad. Why are 800,000 people dead? Probably isn’t the person’s fault who wanted 800,000 people to not die.
many people bear some of the responsibility… this latest escalation is at least in part on those people’s heads
they thought it was “the same” to have trump who gleefully says “let’s genocide so we can grab it for ourselves” rather than “please don’t”
I’m not going to hazard a guess on your background and relations but I can say of the 50+ Gazans I follow on the ground… some are dead now. But their friends who survived them and the rest who are miraculously still alive said they didn’t see much of a difference between Biden saying they’re rapists and Trump saying they’re rapists. That’s the Pals I follow. Then there’s the peace orgs I follow - JVP, CAIR, PSL… none of them had much to say about Biden or Trump. They were all about to marked as terrorist orgs under the last administration, anyway. Then there’s the black and brown people I interact with online and in my friend groups. A lot of us agree, myself included, that non-voters shouldn’t have been non-voters and voted Harris but even then most of them tell me it doesn’t really matter to them because this is how it’s always been for them. Who am I to criticize? I’m not in their shoes. At the end of the day yelling at people who didn’t want 800,000 people dead is a wedge argument. The dictatorship is here now. Do we want to yell at white women for wearing bracelets telling black people “they’re safe”? Or can we finally just work together. The reason we’re here is because we truly enjoy these sour lemon flavored wedges.
I really want to know what all those folks on Lemmy that didn’t vote for Kamala because Biden wasn’t doing enough for Gaza think of this. We warned you.
They are typing up Bible length posts talking of neoliberalism and how the DNC can’t win elections and how Kamala should have come out against Israel so she could have been crucified by the American Evangelical Zionist community, ADL, blue hawks, and veiled Nazi media sources. You’re not going to see them take any responsibility for spreading fascism enabling paralysis of conscience. Their current attack pattern is to blame people scared of being hauled off to camps for not personally taking their Kalishnikovs to the nearest internment camp up to now to die at the gates.
As if no Palestinian ever wept for the fate of a Burmese victim and felt powerless for being half a world away. As if no Chechan man ever wept for his brothers and sisters in the gay community in Uganda. As if no Han ever wept for a Uyghur. As if Jews did not weep for the Roma.
You can take the view that the election was stolen if you want, or that it was decided by apathy, or that Americans really want fascism, but whats likely is these cold, dull pieces of shit are not to blame for the electoral turnout being what it was. What they are guilty of is being politically illiterate pawns that had no organzational outlet besides putting down other leftists online. They failed to understand that America is a colonial white supremacist state and working to change that has been a 250 year project worked on by non-passing trans women throwing bricks at cops, by coal miners getting murdered by machine guns, by laborers fighting Pinkertons, by black men arguing for themselves in newspapers, by black women climbing into bed with white men for a seat at the table, by college students getting gunned down for protesting, by corporate soldiers who could have been monarchs but had the mad impulse towards humanity at the last minute, by folk musicians, by poets, by degenerates, by satirists, by Satanists, by sci-fi writers, by unpopular pornographers, etc etc etc…
And the large majority of the time it probably felt like failing, screaming into the void and then getting shot in the back of the head.
But no color revolution ever occurred here (yet) by electoralism and the cruel detachement of bitter online “leftists” with authoritarian tendancies shouting the rest of us down as moral hypocrites.
You failed, during your life time, so far, to live up to the image they had in their head of a swelling proletariat seizing the means of production with a gat and a smile. Kamala Harris failed, in two months, to tease the United States military industrial complex, reflexive colonial state long-term goals, and Christian millinarian suicidal religious motivation, apart from the Democratic party, which perpetually exists in the chiaroscuro negative space of a white supremacist colonial state. They can accept no nuance because nuance hurts, it actually is painful and it sucks. Better to blame everyone else.
America will now do the most genocide possible instead of any variation on that. People who could have been given time to grow and live and even possibly escape now wont be. Don’t feel responsible… electoral reform is hard and democracy is thusly untenable. Go back to bed after telling a frightened girl on Lemmy she deserves whats coming because she didn’t, allegedly, care about the international situation (I saw this happen). If this is your first election cycle after coming to political awareness, fuck you imperialist pig, kys. If you’re thinking of evolving yourself and your activism don’t, you should have been there already. We are born steeped in original sin and none of us are worthy of the kingdom of Heaven. None of us deserve each others grace. Give up and collapse like a dying star and pull the world down with us.
That’s where they’re at.
Sorry for the word wall.
Literally. This is the result of the level of discourse on the internet and of petty one-upsmanship with a complete disconnect from reality. All that matters is being ‘right’ not what actually happens in the world. Therefore it’s a race to the bottom while doing everything possible to shatter any political power that might have resulted in a coalition with any chance of saving anything.
So we get the worst because people are too busy shitting on anyone they can point a finger at for not being their idea of perfect.
We are apparently incapable of learning how to get along with one another on the left and are utterly susceptible to atomization, while the right is capable of banding together with absolute moral bankruptcy to light the planet on fire, commit genocide, and destroy every social service we ever had.
Fucking infuriating that this feckless performative bullshit is the best we can muster. That we literally are too divided by pointing out everything wrong with everyone else to ever get together and accomplish anything.
The stupid thing is, the people directing the bot farms that started this? They fucked themselves too. The right fucked themselves, the center fucked themselves, the left who couldn’t get it together to work with anyone lacking ideological ‘purity’ fucked themselves.
Humans are too stupid to exist. Fucking checkmate. We all lose.
Keep calling them out and internalize the spite. We’re not extinct yet. People have come back from worse than this. Despite what these people say things can get better.
800,000 dead people gave* you a lot to gloat about, didn’t it.
You do know that Palestinian journalists on the ground there said they knew it didn’t matter who was in office. 800,000 dead Palestinians under Biden and Harris. But continue on.
There’s no gloating here. This was a preventable escalation, but people played a moronic game and now we all have to live with the consequences.
Was it though? Was it preventable? I think survival and preservation of life is the goal right? Would you agree?
Past numbers:
- 800,000 Palestinians are dead under the last administration.
- And one of my favorite stats - “According to estimates, capitalist institutions have caused approximately 158 million deaths through wars alone since the Russian Revolution.” (https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10455752.2021.1875603).
- “The rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans stands at 6.2 fatal shootings per million of the population per year between 2015 and October 2024.” (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/).
- “From 2015 to October 2024, approximately 6,600 people were killed by police shootings. This includes 6,303 men and 294 women” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States.
For some folx… and from their points of view, it wasn’t good, it hasn’t been good, and it won’t be good. Now it’s just shitty for everyone. I don’t agree with it but if I’m going to shit on anyone for what was inevitable, anyway, it isn’t going to be people who genuinely wanted 800,000 people to not be dead. The third party voters didn’t tip the scale. The non voters did an asshole thing. The MAGA voters are a whole other discussion. But the wedge thing, it’s tired. We should hop over the wedge.
My only point, respectfully, is 800,000 people are dead. What was anyone in leadership doing to stop it and to prevent it from happening any further?
Let me be clear, I was for swing states voting for Harris because I am fully aware of how dictatorships roll but voting for Harris wasn’t going to stop the dictatorship from rolling. It was on the way and going to roll. If Harris had won, it would’ve been just a little bit more down the road. But the cop cities were and are being built. The police indemnity is already in place and growing. The Pal protestors and the orgs for peace were already being legislated as terrorist orgs. The billionaires and democratic mayors were already sicking police and fascist mobs on the protestors. Bombs were still being sent to kill more than 800,000 people. Brown people were still being gunned down and mistreated by the state sanctioned slave catchers in the US. Muslim Americans were still seeing a crazy uptick in violence against their communities and the Democrats were barring them from speaking at the DNC.
In some people’s purview, shit wasn’t good under the Dems. Maybe better for me? For you? Sure. I’ve had many black internetizens say “Oh? It’s finally bad for YOU. It’s been bad for us the entire time.” Even my Mexican co-workers here in Los Angeles shrug their shoulders and say it’s not new for them.
But you’re right. It’s not good. I don’t condone it. Most of us don’t. But I also don’t condone feeding into this wedge argument pitting working class against working class when all anyone wanted was for 800,000 people to not be dead, for politicians to hold slave catchers accountable, and for money and jobs to come back to this place.
“Everybody I’ve spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land.”
This would be comical if it weren’t so inhumane. “Everybody” is the last person he’s spoken to, ie Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
Forced displacement of Gaza’s population would likely be a violation of international law […]
Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, the former Israeli defence minister, have been issued arrest warrants by the International Criminal Court for alleged crimes against humanity and war crimes.
Would the ICC investigate Trump as well if he take action and tries to take over Gaza?
“Everybody I’ve spoken to loves the idea of [mad shit]” can also be understood as “I’ve surrounded myself with sycophants”.
He just pulled the US out of the UN Human Rights Commission.
He may actually be nuts enough to just pull us out of the UN and tell them to build a new HQ somewhere outside of New York, and turn the UN building into a fucking Trump tower.
Would the ICC investigate Trump as well if he take action and tries to take over Gaza?
Maybe?
If they do, he’ll just laugh like Andrew Jackson and say ‘lets see you enforce it’.
If somebody tries to, he’ll follow along with existing US Law / Policy eatablished in 2002 under Bush, and threaten to or perhaps actually invade Belgium and the Hague, and go to war with the rest of NATO.
He’s nuts, alright. Let’s hope the USA has enough checks and balances, and some sane people left, to avoid the worse.
Sorry, genuine question:
He’s nut.
Does that mean He’s nutty, He’s crazy, He’s bonkers, He’s lost his mind?
Or was that a typo?
I’m 35 and I’ve never heard anyone say ‘He’s nut’ before.
I’d say never get old as a joke but uh… yeah, looks like all our probalistic life expectancies are dropping rapidly.
I meant to write “he’s nuts”. Sorry for the typo, fixed it.
It’s no big deal, I am just unable to keep up with zoomer slang at this point, and I thought it might be that, haha.
Thank you for clarifying =D
It’s probably a typo of “he’s a nut.” Which, yes, your interpretation in paragraph two is correct.
