Woof, what a bad response.
On the one hand, I can kinda get it. It must really suck to lose to a self-servicing corpo ad-a-palooza, even one as well crafted as Astrobot. It’s like losing a collectible contest to FunkoPops, just clear feelsbad.
On the other, fuck this guy for dragging nationalistic pride into a dumbass award ceremony. The Geoff-fest is always a stupid corporate cockgag that celebrates publisher money more than developers, taking it personally and trying to pretend like all of China was snubbed only serves to makes BMW look worse.
I don’t feel it was undeserved, it’s good that super productions lose to better crafted titles, maybe one day actual indie games will be on the contest for game of the gear
While he comes off as a jerk, and possibly is one, I can understand the sentiment, having spent a few years of my life among ethnically Chinese people in Asia. There is this drive and aspiration to be recognized by leading brands in the West as equals, perhaps even betters. Due to a history of subservience and shame and a strong nationalistic current seeking to undo that.
This game is one of the most ambitious and accomplished to come out of China and they’re hungering for that kind of recognition. So it is likely that fans of the game feel it was ‘stolen’ from them and he seems to be responding to that sentiment. To us it looks petty, but to some of the game’s most ardent Chinese fans this may have been an appropriate response. Not sure how this was received in China though, just speculating.
Not going to lie, despite loving the stories about the monkey king, I skipped it entirely because of the notes they sent to content creators. Which would also be why I skip movies and games that take the US’ DoD money. I’m glad it got passed over.
The last three weeks or so of Chinese video game reporting has basically been:
“They’ll never shortlist us for GotY. They’ll never choose a Chinese game for GotY. It’s all a Western ploy to denigrate and deny Chinese achievement because They are jealous that the first Chinese AAA game is so good.”
It’s been tiring.
Edit: just opened up my Chinese feeds, and I’m glad to report that the first one I found was criticising netizens for review bombing BG3 and defending the Larian speech, and giving it a more detailed translation.
They review-bombed BG3? For shame. Why?
THAT actually probably was a translation error (unlike “oh, he is not a disgusting misogynistic piece of shit. You are just racist and so is google translate”).
Swen’s speech was (paraphrasing) about how an oracle told him that the future GOTYs will all be games made because they are games the studios wanted to make and were allowed to make without fear of layoffs (which is why it was ironic that a studio that came out of Sony gutting Team Japan won…).
But a lot of chuds and CCP mouthpieces keyed in on the “An oracle told me” narrative framing as an indication that it was all rigged. In large part because they are fucking morons who don’t realize they were voting on a different category when they rushed that vote harder than a gamefaqs poll with Aeris in it.
And Swen is head (?) of Larian who made Baldurs Gate 3.
Also: BG3 is, in scientific terms, gay as all fuck. So the chuds who were already focusing on BMWukong because “it understand that women should be sexy” and whatever other “anti-DEI” bullshit they are radicalizing people with, saw an opportunity to pick a fight now that the mass support of BG3 is somewhat waning.
Because they couldn’t review-bomb Astrobot since Astrobot isn’t on Steam.
I wasn’t aware, but basically this confirms my suspicion above regarding how this is playing out in the Chinese psyche so to speak.
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Translation appears accurate, but misses the cultural element. In my admittedly limited experience, this is pretty par for the course for Chinese humor. Compared to Western humor, Chinese humor is more brash and abrasive, and almost boastful when viewed from an outside perspective. I can definitely envision someone receiving that sort of response as a joke (“What, you didn’t receive game of the year? Why did you even go?”). And it would certainly agree with my impression that he makes a lot of crude jokes on his social media that don’t translate well into English (see: the IGN article on how the developers are sexist). It can really be quite difficult for inexperienced people to determine what statements are humorous and what statements are earnest, since the difference is often really subtle, even when read in the original language.
I’m not necessarily defending him, since these sorts of jokes do have a nugget of honesty to them, but my read is that he plays them up for humor.
Yeah… fuck off with that?
I am Chinese with a lot of Chinese family. This is not some unique and elevated humor that westerners do not understand. It is the same self deprecating humor that is increasingly prevalent in all cultures (that have been exposed to similar media…) combined with the equivalent of “ha ha, wouldn’t it be funny if we kissed .ha ha ha . What a joke. ha ha. But what if we did? Ha ha ha”.
Same with the truly disgusting misogynistic shit that asshole has said. It is a “joke” in the same way it was “just a joke” when people were testing the water on being magats.
The only thing that is “cultural” about this is the tendency for East Asians (but especially Chinese) to assume that everyone else is fucking stupid and that they just have to say it is a joke to ignore all consequences. And… that has been regularly demonstrated to be true so I guess the joke is on us?
Do I think he was tearing his shirt in agony and screaming in pain? No (although apparently Alannah Pearce and the people in her section saw him crying when he lost…). But there is very much the fundamental truth of “I deserved to win so this must be bullshit if I didn’t and I wasted my time by coming to an awards ceremony that doesn’t understand how amazing I am”.
Which… DOES have a lot of ties to East Asian culture (the idea that you are either best or worst) coupled with the fucked up number that the one child policy did on people.
eh I’m the same as you. even grew up in China for many years and the original comment could be true. who knows, but its getting weird coverage in both countries.
it’s also quite the stereotype (one especially held by western raised Asians) to believe all East Asians have asian elitism. most people I knew in China were insanely jealous of Americans and would give their life savings to send their kids to the US for education and a better life. the rich had the everyone is stupid mentality, but that’s true for rich people everywhere. one thing that is true and why I made the comment in parenthesis is that most Chinese people think Western raised Asian children are raised incorrectly and make that known to their family members in the West which comes off very elitist, but that’s also something shared between cultures around the world who have family members living in the US or equivalent.
no comment on the dudes other comments he’s made since I don’t know much about him, but to apply this to all East Asians especially the Chinese because of his one comment is pretty… yeah.
(the idea that you are either best or worst)
“If you not first, you’re last.”
So, this guy is Ricky Bobby?
So Chinese Kanye?
Bro he’s a sexist not a Nazi, take it down a notch.
Plus Kanye would have won because he convinced all the best game developers from the last ten years to collaborate and do his work for him.
Alannah Pearce namedrop i love that Aussie she was the best part of Funhaus
I am Chinese with a lot of Chinese family
So you’re an ABC? Otherwise why mention the obvious lol.
That dudes response might not be 100% but you need to chill out.
So… while you are showing your ass and defending someone who said shit like
I want to expand my circle and hire more people, get licked until I can’t get an erection.
(Hint: that is where you claim everyone is racist and just misinterpreted him without providing any other defense)
do you want to further show your ass and say why it would matter where I was physically born while explaining your “You just don’t understand our humor” defense?
But they did misinterpret it, did they not? Didn’t you say you were Chinese?
If so you should know that “getting licked” is the Chinese equivalent of “getting your ass kissed”. You wouldn’t be called sexist for saying you get your ass kissed.
… Is this a Poe’s Law scenario?
No, it is Cunningham’s law, demonstrated by you.
When did I defend anyone…? Dawg, can you read?
You are so sensitive to immediately tell someone to F off which screams American. You claim yourself as Chinese which means you know best about all Chinese culture right? Which is such a common Chinese xenophobic tactic. But at the same time you’re so disconnected from your own culture you feel the need to share you and your own parents ethnicity, screams you took mandarin in university level ABC. All while being a jerk. Touch grass and chill out
You are so sensitive to immediately tell someone to F off which screams American.
Lol, have you been to East Asia? Getting told to fuck off isn’t exactly a hard thing to provoke in Asia, it’s not something that only happens in America.
You claim yourself as Chinese which means you know best about all Chinese culture right? Which is such a common Chinese xenophobic tactic.
Almost as common as white people explaining Asian culture to Asians on this social media platform. I’ve been lectured to about my own culture by European and Americans who have never left their own countries.
But at the same time you’re so disconnected from your own culture you feel the need to share you and your own parents ethnicity
My dude… Your ethnicity doesn’t change just because your parents migrated to another location. The fact that you can’t recognize stripping someone’s ethnicity away from someone because they weren’t born in there families homeland is just another form of forced assimilation, and is incredibly racist.
mandarin in university level ABC
Again, utilizing an acronym to other delineate someone from their ethnic heritage is disgusting. Especially considering that I doubt you’ve ever had to deal with navigating the social stratification of being an immigrant.
Accosting a Chinese person for not being Chinese enough is just about the most 4d chess move of racism a white dude can pull off. Congrats.
There’s that ass! Better be careful. You keep showing it and a certain dictator will think you are making Winnie the Poo references!
It is so fun giving people who try to pretend to be rationale and enlightened plenty of rope.
Got em
This should be the top comment. Knowing a couple mainland Chinese, this is probably 100% accurate and a more charitable read than most are giving it.
As the article says, since his comments were run through machine translation, it’s possible they’re meant more in jest rather than seriously. I’ll keep a charitable perspective on this until we learn more.
i read the original on weibo and he appears to be (to me at least) fully serious. tried to invoke nationalistic pride as well
except we know Chinese people have been review bombing other games because BMW didn’t win. Sure doesn’t seem like a joke to them.
This is based on a shit article from the shitrag “TheGamer” that calls 500 players downvoting a game a movement. There’s 1,4B people in China, 500 votes don’t even register. TheGamer is a clickbait/ragebait shitrag that weaponises xenophobia/culture wars/ignorace to generate traffic. They are the precise example of the enshitification of the Internet. Veritable parasites.
I got heavily downvoted for pointing out “TheGamer” as a poor source of gaming journalism in a post specifically linking to that article. So I guess that tells me everything I need to know about Lemmy?
Since last night, I’ve seen a lot of strong dissatisfaction and frustration in players’ comments - often expressed humorously or ironically, which made me laugh,"
Jest or not, this one statement is irresponsible because this will only serve to encourage bad and toxic behavior and you know that’s how immature gamers will take it, as condoning their behavior.
The comment you responded to covered all that. It’s possible it’s a translation/tone error. No reason to assume face value given the stakes.
If that ends up being not the case, then ok.
No the OP did not. I’m literally saying tone does not matter and even if it was a flippant remark, gamers will take that as approval of their bullshit behavior.
Let’s face it, gamers are all too often immature assholes, Westerner, Easterners, wherever.
But whatever, people disagree and that’s fine.
Then that would be the gamers’ fault, not the producer’s. They’re not responsible for how their comment may not only be taken out of context but also translated in a disadvantageous way.
BMW looks like a terribly mediocre souls-like, and it’s like 60 bucks on Steam. The hype surrounding it is manufactured AF.
12 souls-like fans absolutely furious
I’d be ashamed too, losing to astro bot. What I’ve heard from the Platformer community is that while the game is good, it’s very short and lacks in the amount of unique areas (and enemies?) and as such is more or less blitz and glamour. Like, props to sony for producing jump and runs, but still…
I just finished Astro Bot and it is a very good game. However, it is very derivative of Mario to the point where it is very clearly a Mario game, except you are collecting PlayStation member-berries instead of stars or whatever.
I loved it, but I have a hard time justifying it as GotY. IMO it should have gone to Wukong or Balatro.
Not the journey to the west he had hoped for
Damn it. This is gold. Take my upvote.
Haven’t really been following it all - after reading the article I think maybe its because Astro Bot had a larger audience because its generally more accessible?
I haven’t played that Astrobot game (I don’t have a PS5) but I am not surprised with it being highly praised honestly.
Astrobot Rescue Mission was awesome, even forgetting about it being VR. It’s very fun and well designed, with new ideas all the way through, up there with Super Mario Galaxy to me. That team definitely knows their stuff.
Black Myth Wukong had one of the highest concurrent player counts of Steam of all time. The game was very popular in China.
Meanwhile Astrobot’s sales figures were lacklustre, according to some reports.
But its an exclusive, only PS5 players can play it.
I think you are right. Its why Fortnite usually wins in categories it is in, because at the end of the day it mostly comes down to a popularity contest.
I mean, I heard people I know in real life discrediting BMW even being nominated because “oh all the Chinese are voting for it.” I was like what, you think Chinese Gamers only count for 3/5ths of a Gamer?? I personally wouldn’t be surprised if this sentiment was shared with at least some of the judges.
I’m not saying BMW should have won, personally I liked it but it wasn’t perfect and I didn’t play Astro Bot. It’s just crazy to me that people are reacting like this over a video game just because it came from China. They’re not acting like that over Marvel Rivals, probably because they don’t know it’s from China yet, lol.
If they wanted a game with Sun Wukong in it to win at the game awards, they should have nominated Warframe for Best Continuing Game
That’s some top tier Main Character Syndrome.
That’s how awards work lmao. 5 losers, one winner
One winner and five nominee’s. Let’s not downplay being in the top 6 nominations for “best game of the year” as “losing.” It’s an incredible achievement no matter how you look at it.
Especially for a fresh team that’s amazing.
Yeah you’re right
there’s an easy fix for that, don’t come anymore.
there’s an easy fix for that, don’t come anymore.
How very warm and inviting of you. Im glad there are such welcoming people as you, that are excited to see new studios trying to make good games instead of the same old slop we get from the same old companies.
/s, in case anyone couldn’t tell. What an intolerant comment.
Oh boo hoo, they’re intolerant of a rude person. Get a grip and stop defending this adult tantrum.
Lol.
“Come to Lemmy, we are so tolerant and super chill!”
Yeah, so that was a lie.
You don’t feel you came on a bit strong? Did you actually expect a sensitive and conciliatory response to your comment?
You are free to leave
No one said that.
Come to Lemmy because we’re a bunch of leftists who won’t hate you for who you were born. We sure as fuck are going to hate you for being an arsehole.
You know the fediverse is huge, you can just move to some place you like more.
(I don’t want to be rude, I’m just telling you because your comment seems to indicate that you had more unpleasant encounters here.)
we are so tolerant and super chill
No we’re not, fuck off.
Another solution is to place tolerance in the context of social contract theory: to wit, tolerance should not be considered a virtue or moral principle, but rather an unspoken agreement within society to tolerate one another’s differences as long as no harm to others arises from same. In this formulation, one being intolerant is violating the contract, and therefore is no longer protected by it against the rest of society.
Man, calling this a snub is a misnomer to begin with.
China mad Japan won in American awards. You love to see it.
This year Japan was try-harding so much
Were they? Last year they had Mario and Zelda and the year before they had Elden Ring. This year doesn’t feel particularly strong.
Look at the nominee in all categories, they had Astro bot, Elden Ring DLC, FF7, Metaphor Refantazio, Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth, Zelda Echoes of Wisdom, they had a lot of games this year and they are all competing in different categories.
Machine translated comments are here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/1he81dp/game_producer_of_black_myth_wukongs_post_after_tga/
Chinese translations aren’t always the best in my experience, so hard to tell what’s serious vs what’s said in a joking manner.
My partner has been playing BMWK, and from what I’ve seen it’s an excellent effort for a studio known for mobile games. That being said, there’s noticeably rough edges, so I’m not surprised it didn’t get game of the year (whatever the decision criteria is).
