• _core@sh.itjust.works
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    This tweet assumes people care about OPs opinion, or histories opinion. It’s a toothless threat trying to invoke some Boogeyman of future retribution. Anyone who voted for Trump is going to be doing the Jennifer Lawrence “ok” reaction to this.

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    I judge you for your literal inability to detect hostility and scams.

    We have SO MUCH EVIDENCE that Trump is a Russian asset who Russia has Kompromat on (see American Kompromat by Unger). We are at war with Russia and previously were at war with them for decades. And we don’t think Putin wants revenge? Look at what happened to Navalny.

    Everything Trump wants is deemed harmful by experts. Almost as if he’s a foreign fucking asset harming the US as much as possible in a proxy war. He has a history of violence, abuse, and grifting. How can people be so naive? Literal wolf in wolf’s clothing with neon signs saying “I’m a wolf and I will eat you.”

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    “If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump ’s extremism and vote for him.” – Historian Robin D.G. Kelley

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    Well… I do judge them for their choice in political party when that party’s entire platform is built up on those things.

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    Many of those people could have been swayed to vote democrat if the democrats fucking addressed the actual fucking issues and actually gave them a damn narrative to go by. Saying everything is fine when nothing is fine and the Republicans are constantly screwing them over (while also 100% deflecting ALL blame elsewhere) is delusional at best.

    Also fuck AIPAC.

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    My plan is to simply avoid ALL contact with MAGAs unless I’m forced to work with them. The same way you would avoid a meth-addled pit bull.

    I’m not going to let them think their point of view is “fine” by pretending to be civil to them. It’s not.

  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    I judge them for being the most gullible dumbasses in the history of the world. How stupid you have to be to believe the shit that Trump says?

    These are just the dumbest and most simple-minded people in the country.

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      I never judge people who got scammed or tricked or whatever. It happens. But getting scammed by one of the dumbest people on the planet is almost an achievement. I’m not even hyperbolic here, i have not seen a person making so much mouth noises and saying so little at the same time. That guy tricked you? Not even a smart and charming guy? Pathetic.

      People always wonder why Vince McMahon get away with all his shit. And i did too, because i kept up with his monstrosities for quite some time. But even watching his netflix documentary, and knowing what an absolute monster he is, i just could not help but finding him weirdly charming. I don’t know what level of charisma he’s blessed with but it’s almost creepy. Donald has absolutely non of that.

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      Yup. Communication requires effort on the part of the sender and receiver. I reject the premise that anyone needed convincing by the Dems. If simply seeing the candidates speak wasn’t enough, that portion if the electorate is not putting in the slightest effort to understand. There are many motivations for wilful ignorance. There were perhaps other explanations for Trumps win in '16. This time it’s just that America would rather have a convicted felon as a president.

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      This is the third fucking time Democrats have run with an establishment candidate.

      I voted Harris but I knew she was a shit candidate and not who we needed to go against Trump. She couldn’t even primary ffs.

      The DNC is squarely to blame, every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking changes. You can’t keep putting up generic neocon establishment hand-picked candidates and expect turnout.

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        every time people blame the voters and nothing fucking change

        I blame all the voters that were fine with voting for Trump first, because they looked at that shit stain and thought he would be acceptable as the leader of the country. The people that voted for him are the problem.

        Harris still did a terrible job, sure. But a literal pile of dogshit should have been a preferable option to Trump.

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      Genocide is a redline for me, though I understand why to many Harris voters the mass slaughter of people halfway across the world is a non-issue.

      Edit: “If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism and vote for him.” – Historian Robin D.G. Kelley

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        Of course it’s a fucking issue! Do you think it will be better now that Netanyahu got the person be wanted in the white house?! My god how short sighted are you!

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    I just feel like after a public rapist becomes president, twice, there’s no hope for Americans. It really is hopeless by now.

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        The DOJ had four years to prosecute him under Biden and they dragged their heels.

        The Southern District of New York had ample reason and opportunity to prosecute him as a mobbed to businessman in the '00s and '10s, but he was friends with the mayor so they didn’t.

        The Clintons certainly knew about Epstein in the 90s and could have busted that whole thing up 30 years ago. But the donations were too sweet, so they didn’t.

        Trump is a creature of consequences.

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      Think about it this way, if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.

      It is accepted and now normalized. If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.

      The problem for me is I grew up in a country that I thought was beyond that. I was apparently wrong.

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        if you disqualified politicians who engaged in some kind of sexual assault there would not be many left to govern.

        I’ve heard arguments to the effect that politicians who are too clean simply don’t succeed, because people don’t want to give you big campaign checks unless they have Compromat on you.

        So you get invited to the Eyes Wide Shut party, your rich friends catalog your debauchery, and this is what keeps you loyal.

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        If you are rich you can rape and do whatever you want.

        This is why I hate capitalism so much. Extreme power disparity is the heart of tyranny and the extreme disparities in wealth that capitalism creates only leads to extreme disparities in political power.

        I fear that the US went past a breaking point and that the US will fully be an oligarchy after Trump is done

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        The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.

        Just in case to clarify, I’m not defending child rapists who most surely did commit the crime in question, just saying it’s a dangerous concept.

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          The problem with disqualifying anyone based on any crimes is that it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.

          As an example, Trump didn’t get elected because he was convicted of 34 felonies.

          Oh wait, maybe the possibility of false crime accusations don’t fucking matter when real ones aren’t a hurdle to getting elected.

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          it would enable the current ruling party to stick crimes on the opposition to eliminate the competition.

          Don Siegelman was the last Dem governor of Alabama. Pursued on spurious charges in 2004, which were immediately thrown out by the judge of the case, then again in 2006 by a Bush appointed Judge who was more friendly with Republican prosecutors.

          I expect a lot more of this in 2025 once Trump takes office and starts settling scores.

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        there would not be many left to govern

        Good. There is not that many positions to fill anyway.

        It’s not normal that a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a politician.

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          a criminal record that would make it almost impossible to find an entry-level grocery packer job is completely OK for a politician fucking president of a huge country

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        I refuse to think about it that way lol. Quantity does not equal acceptance for me. We have to hold our countries’ representatives to a higher standard than being outright criminals, guilty of many, serious offenses. If there are only a handful of politicians left after such a sift, then so be it.

        Thank God I’m not in the USA. But it’s not like this doesn’t fuck over the rest of the world too.

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      No. It is that Trump won with the support of over 70 million Americans. People are responsible for their choices. jfc

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        Trump didnt gain or loose many voters.

        Biden/Harris lost a lot of voters.

        So really the change between 2020 and 2024 is not a popularity increase for Trump, but a huge popularity loss for Biden/Harris.

        Now the question is, how did Biden/Harris manage to be so unpopular, that 12 million people decided to rather risk Trump winning, than vote for them again?

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          Answer : Russian propaganda about Harris supporting a genocide, while blatantly dodging the question of trumps desire for Israel to “finish the job”.

          People are gonna get exactly what they voted for (or really, failed to vote against) in the next 4 years.

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        Yeah, Dems should have been able to put a wet turd on the ticket and beat Trump. The people who voted for Trump are the actual problem.

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          Doesn’t your first statement imply that the dems flubbed an easy victory? Combined with the fact that Trump didn’t gain many voters? If the election was supposed to be that easy to win, isn’t it the dem campaign strat that is the problem? HEY WHITE WOMEN YOU LIKE LETHAL MILITARY?

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            I’m saying Dems did better than a wet turd, and a wet turd should have been enough.

            Anyone who chose to vote for Trump was the actual problem, whether they voted for him before or not. They chose violence.

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    I’d really like to have 100 randomly chosen Trump voters in a room and interview them to find out how knowledgeable they are about Trump, about his policies, about his first term, about the criminal cases, etc.

    My guess is that at least 90% of them are brainwashed. I’m sure there are some that are completely aware of his record and are either single issue voters who are voting only on abortion. Some may be multi-millionaires who are voting just for lower taxes and don’t care about anything else. But, anybody who voted for him because of inflation / the economy has no idea what they’re talking about. Inflation was a worldwide problem and Trump’s policies made / will make it worse. Anybody who voted for him because he’s going to “fix immigration” has no idea what they’re doing because his policies are incoherent and will never work. Anybody who voted for him because of Gaza is an absolute moron because he’s just going to encourage the genocide.

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      You’re just pitching a story the NYT and the WaPo run regularly. “I heard it on a podcast, I heard it on FOX News, I heard it at church”. That’s the response you get.

      Don’t trust liberals to give you the news. Only trust conservatives. Viola! Now you’ll have a strong Republican dogma.

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        Trump and his fascists deserve most of the blame, but I fear that liberals won’t learn from this. Realpolitik is bullshit. When you promise to help people but then sell us out to lobbyists and the donor class decade after decade after decade, then people lose all faith in institutions. Facts don’t matter because those facts were used to gaslight time and time again.

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      This condescending attitude is almost ok when it’s done by voters, the problem is tgat the dem party constantly acts insufferably towards potential voters.

      It is a party’s duty to appeal to the people, not the other way around. The dems proved once again that acting like “the least worst option” doesn’t work, especially in a disinformation economy like the US and frankly the rest of the world. It’s not the 2000’s anymore, respectability politics are hated by most voters.

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        Anyone that brought up your points earlier this year was dog-piled and being called a tankie or Russian shill. God forbid a powerless user on this website brought up an ounce of criticism towards the party or else it was as if every loyalist was experiencing their own personal 9/11

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    I could understand Trump in 2016. I could also understand Trump in 2020 but much less. In 2024? Nahh… America voted for him in 2024 and I will judge Americans for it.

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      in 2016 Trump was the one who mocked soldiers, was on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy, vilifying immigrants, and being just as shitty as he is today. There was nothing understandable about voting for him in 2016.

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      the only president in over 100 years to lose the popular vote twice. he won it his third time. unbelievable. as a rapist he’s probably used to insisting after rejection until he wears them down.

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      Could you really understand Trump in 2016? I’m not asking to be mean. Wasn’t his character the same back then? I’ve tuned out of US politics since the DNC screwed over Bernie in 2016.

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        He was a meanie and very unpresidential and Hillary was disliked (even by me) and people wanted something different. Now he has been shown he will literally go against any advisors and literally tried to overturn the 2020 election results. Literal anti-democratic traitor to america.