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Cake day: December 23rd, 2023

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  • Sure pointing to Russian incompetence is easy. I would like to see how NATO ships fare in a training exercise against a pack of 10 Magura V’s. I’ll bet they will find it is much harder than they thought.

    These things are so low in the water they dissapears between the waves for radar and other tracking systems, they can move slow to get close and be within the outer defense layers before they are spotted. And now they even come with deployable mines, grad missiles or even anti air missiles.






  • Yes, very much so. The reason I think there might be add ons is due to the nature of the threat.

    Very angry, low visible, high speed, armored, unmanned surface vehicles that hunt in packs.

    • The Rim116 might not be usable because by the time you see them you might not want to / can not use a missile anymore.
    • The gun based ciws (midas/goalkeeper/phalanx et al.) might not have enough penetration. They are built for engaging unarmored targets.

    We can make fun of the Russian expansion of their submarine fleet in de black sea all we want… but if these maguras where an easy threat to deal with they would. No reason to think any NATO surface combatant would do any better when suddenly confronted with a similar threat.