• Monstrosity@lemm.ee
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    2 hours ago

    This isn’t going to be popular, but part of the problem is not acknowledging that 42%. It’s fucking insulting, frankly. Plenty of women voted for the bear.

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      52% of white women voted for trump.

      Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.

      Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let’s focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

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        Please don’t get me confused, I don’t think it’s good this many men voted for The Stain. Also, 52% of WHITE women, but I bet if you combined ALL women, that number would drop dramatically.

        My broader point is, IMO, that 42% never gets talked about so why would it grow, yeah?

        Or, put another way, when I talk about women, who are my allies against the Patriarchy, I speak of why I like them (because I do, I LOVE women). They are resilient, strong, resourceful, grounded, etc, all the good stuff, and I try to include all women in that, they are my allies. I try NOT to focus on trad wives, manipulators, “gold diggers”, abusers, weirdos like MTG or Caitlyn Jenner , you know, bad people (and there are plenty).

        But when I hear about men in the ally space, it feels like I hear all about how awful and dangerous we are and that’s it. And there’s ALWAYS this group of guys willing to go along with it and point and go “yeah, we totally suck! You guys saying we don’t are the real problem!” But, how is that motivating to anyone? It makes me upset, anyways. Maybe I’m just a big emotional baby, who knows?

        Anyways, I’m blabbing. Bad habit of mine.

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          I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.

          And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.

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    If there isn’t a movie yet where a woman meets a strange man in the middle of the woods and he starts acting creepy and she gets scared, then she sees a bear and decides to chance it with the bear… and then the bear runs past her and mauls the creepy guy-

    Well there should be.

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    2020 election.

    Its cultural, men are more likely to be Republicans. One day this will change

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      I don’t know about that. We have to remember that people just didn’t come out to vote. Trump’s base is Trump’s base. It’s unchanging. People didn’t come out to vote, it’s not that Trump flipped people.

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    I mean, it sounds to me like men also chose the bear. Why did they choose the bear, is it because they’re stupid? Probably not, they likely just thought their odds were better with the bear.

    Dropping the metaphor, and looking in the cold light of day, those young men saw a better future under Trumpler than Harris. Articles signaled this well before, and nothing was done to address it.

    Will their future be better - probably not. Can they be made to think their future is better, that’s a tough one. Remember, you can trick one group of people into thinking they have more rights by stripping the rights of those around them.

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      You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.

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    I love how so many men in the comments are butt hurt by this comparison. Almost as if it hit the nail right on the head.

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      You are aware that 52% of white women voted for trump and that he won the popular vote by nearly 5 million votes (72,656,451 for trump, 67,978,280 for Harris) between both that is 140,634,731 votes. So 1% would be 1406347.31. so trump won by about 3% popular vote.

      Blaming specifically men and exclusively, is what pisses them off.

      America is sexist and racist.

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        “Fascism won. Better continue feeding into the race, gender, and class wars that majorly helped cause it to happen in the first place.”

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    When Harris was nominated, I told a friend of mine that my biggest fear was it was going to energize racists and sexists because she was black and a woman. I though she was great candidate, but the level of racism and sexism in this county is beyond insane.

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      You want this to be true because it’s a simple explanation, just like Republicans. Stop being so immature and look at the actual dogshit platform she ran on and think again. You just defined confirmation bias in your comment. Doesn’t make it true

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      Well it’s a good thing your worries were unfounded then because Trump got 72 million votes in 2020, and as of right now he’s got those same 72 million votes in 2024. 10 million or so democrats sat out this election compared to 2020 and that’s why Harris lost.

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      It was actually because they gaslit people into believing that Biden was a competent candidate until like 3 months before the damn election.

      THEN didn’t even hold a primary.

      And then let Kamala Harris completely train wreck the campaign and say shit like 18-24 year olds were stupid (notice how most of those votes from men for trump were around that age?) And sure, the video was taken out of context but she did say it and these dumb fucks didn’t care what the context was when they see that clip droning on their TikToks and shit.

      America does have a racism and sexism problem but to tell yourself that that is the only reason she lost this election would be lying to yourself in a very major way.

      I did vote for her too, btw. First time I ever voted. But Jesus Christ the democrats just seem like they don’t want to win at this point.

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        People keep saying this but they haven’t finished counting the votes. In California alone only 55% of votes were counted and he had 4,000,000+ votes there. The remaining votes could easily put him past his 2020 total.

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    That seems bang on average for the entire country. If anything that suggests to me that men in that age group are less susceptible to trumps influence since other age ranges of men were in the 60s and 70s

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      Nothing is wrong with them, but I get not wanting to gamble with thos odds.

      Especially when, according to the national park service, “when bear encounters do happen, they are most often nonviolent”. So if you had to gamble…

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        Are you saying that theres >42% chance a bear will be on your side in the wilderness then?

        That makes no sense. By all arguments taking “a man” is prolly the far better choice anyways, people are just stupid.

        There’s a 100% chance that “the bear” is a fucking bear

        Theres at least a decent chance “a random man” is an asset to survival and your odds of success go up instead of down…

        There’s no scenario where choosing “the bear” improves your odds of success >_>;

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          Unless the bear is starving, rabid or you are between it and its cubs, there is a 99% chance that the bear will just leave you alone, and probably run away.

          I’m guessing that’s not as high a percentage when it comes to men considering statistics involving rape and murder.

          So yeah, I’d say that there are a lot of scenarios where choosing the bear improves your odds of success.

          It’s like people think there are hundreds of thousands of bear maulings ever year or something…

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          You’re changing the hypothetical into something it’s not. “Odds of success” are a weird thing to think about when it’s just a walk in the woods.

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        Yeah the overwhelming majority of woman interactions with men is non violent.

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          Very true, but the overwhelming majority of women interact with men overwhelmingly frequently compared to bears.

          Almost as if the whole thing is a light hearted way of drawing attention to a very real fear women live with every day, that stats posted above bear (get it?) witness to.

          Plus, if we are being pedantic, it’s not “interactions with men”. It’s “would you, as a woman, feel safer encountering a man or a bear when you are alone in the woods”.

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              If we are talking about odds, I’d rather run into a bear than any human being in the woods regardless of skin color because humans kill humans in an exponentially greater number than bears kill humans.

              So sure. I’d rather run into a bear than a black person in the woods. Or a white person. Or a brown person. Or even a blue person. And you do have a small chance running into one of the blue ones in one area that’s bear country.

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                This is wrong reasoning though. The only reason why bears kill less humans is because like you say, less bears interact with humans. But if you go with the premise of putting a bear and a human next to each other, then a bear is always more dangerous.

                It’s like saying ingesting cyanide kills less people than car accidents. That doesn’t mean ingesting cyanide is less dangerous than driving a car.

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                  I thought we were talking about odds?

                  Why did you bring up odds if this was about the “right” reasoning?

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              What’s a “black prison”? Is that like an off-the-books CIA site where they keep people who won’t be found? I’d definitely take the bear, the CIA would probably torture me to get me to tell them how I found their black prison.

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            Any woman who says “the bear” honestly, I have to assume" has never once actually encountered a bear in the woods.

            Prolly has had extremely few encounters with anything in the woods.

            People hang out on trails all the time, and are alone with another stranger on the trails extremely often, and the extremely vast majority of those interactions are overwhelming positive in all configurations. The vast majority of humans are helpful at worst, for all genders.

            People like to help other people out.

            Yes, I would vastly prefer to encounter a gun toting right wing MAGA nut on the trail than a fucking bear, thats not even a hard question to answer, its a fucking bear.

            Im left wing by a long shot but I still know that even the average right wing MAGA nut is actually prolly still gonna be, on average, helpful and/or friendly, or maybe just cold and indifferent towards me, out in the wilderness.

            Hell I’d actually honestly say this scenario is one of the few times I’d choose a MAGA right wing nut over a fellow left leaning fellow.

            I love my fellow liberals but I also have to acknowledge the vast majority of us are city slickers, many many of which prolly couldnt even start a fire if their life depended on it (cuz its just not a thing that matters in the city)

            Meanwhile the odds the random selected MAGA right wing gun nut prolly shows up with hunting equipment and knows how to do shit like make a lean to and skin a rabbit.

            If I got to pick between the two, I’d choose the gun nut cuz Id rather risk surviving with a gun nut than dying with a fellow city slicker, love yeah all but like, we aint fuckin surviving in the woods long, thats just a fact lol.

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              Any woman who says “the bear” honestly, I have to assume" has never once actually encountered a bear in the woods.

              i have to assume you never were a woman… is that correct assumption, smartass?

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              I mean… it is tho innit? But when it comes to topics that people have actual PTSD over, sometimes inventing goofy scenarios makes the hard conversations easier.

              So maybe the problem isn’t the goofy scenario, but the fact that people feel the need to ridicule rape and sexual assault fears regardless of how its presented?

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          “the overwhelming majority of these m&ms are not poisonous.”

          mmm sounds delicious

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              no, I made it up because it’s an easy analogy. but my argument is still different on two fronts.

              first, the claim is absolute when it should be comparative. documented immigrants commit less crime than citizens. undocumented immigrants even less than them.

              https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

              men on the other hand commit crime in ridiculously higher rates than women, and even disregarding that, men commit more serious crimes than women. technically more than bears too.

              second, my argument isn’t about opposing men, so it’s not even comparable to the opposing immigration argument. it’s about the fact that men pose a real threat and maybe it’s appropriate to take action to address that rather than get defensive about it.

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            Idk, women also do dumb violent shit, guess everyone should avoid everybody? Since some humans, regardless of their background, are toxic?

            Life is risk. Not taking any risk is choosing not to live. It’s relatively easy to figure out who’s a shithead, of course you should be wary of people, but everyone has to filter out other shitty people constantly, it’s not suddenly some new thing because Trumpers exist.

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            They one poisonous m&m in the factory is better than this chainsaw will to your face off, but at least you were safe from potentially being poisoned

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          Overwhelming majority of women interactions with men is not alone in the forest - and that was the setting of this exercise.
          Of course I’d rather see a man in crowded office space than a bear, stranded alone in a forest however, math changes.

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            Yeah because women don’t interact with several bears on a daily basis you jack ass

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              You’re sure doing your part to make sure women want to interact with you. I bet you’ve convinced most of them that throwing a fit and calling people names when you don’t get your way makes you the best guy.

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          Ok 42% of men voted for your rights. Most violent crime, SA, and murder is done by men. Potentially in the near future you can’t escape a marriage without a “good” reason and you can’t abort a forced pregnancy.
          Bears. Potentially murder and maul you. Majority of bear to human interactions are non violent and happens numerically wise less than Bears. You interact with men more than Bears. By a million times. The interactions with a male could be worse. Than just killed or hurt severally. Which is the only thing you get from a bear.

          Yes not all men but most men don’t support your rights and crimes are mostly men. Bear impacts are better outcomes than a bad man impacts

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            I’ve HEARD a lot of women talk about how they’d rather be with a bear. I haven’t actually SEEN any leaving society to go live in the woods with a bear. Nor have I seen many of the men supporting them cut off their testicles and dress as bears.

            Now, that leaves me in a pickle. Should I conclude a lot of women are hypocrites and a lot of men are just white knighting, since none of them are actually putting their money where their mouth is? Should I begin questioning if all women talk out of their ass and only take their input to be true if they provide signed statements, ideally notarized?

            Nah. Probably not. I’m gonna choose to believe #notAllWomen lie. Just, like, the ones talking about bears.

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    I am both disappointed and not surprised that half of young men voted for him

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      Half of everybody voted for him. This is such a ridiculous post, those are barely off the numbers for the whole election. Which is ridiculous, but why single out this group?

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        Gotta be pissed off at someone, I suppose. Some blame leftists, some blame Latinos, some blame men.

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        That’s just not true. I’m waiting to see final numbers, but (just like every election) around 1/3 of those eligible bother to vote consistently. And half of them voted for Trump. The undemocratic Electoral College didn’t help, but apathy won him the White House. And it may just cost us our democracy…

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    fun fact: if the bear lets you go 1 out of million times (i pulled this number out of my ass), it is statistically safer to meet a man as long as you don’t meet more than 16 of them… 😂