• Monstrosity@lemm.ee
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    4 hours ago

    This isn’t going to be popular, but part of the problem is not acknowledging that 42%. It’s fucking insulting, frankly. Plenty of women voted for the bear.

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      52% of white women voted for trump.

      Chances are that many of the people crying about men voting trump, are part of a demographic that mostly voted trump.

      Trump apparently won the popular vote anyway. Most of everyone who voted, voted trump. But let’s focus on men and then be surprised that young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway, feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

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        Please don’t get me confused, I don’t think it’s good this many men voted for The Stain. Also, 52% of WHITE women, but I bet if you combined ALL women, that number would drop dramatically.

        My broader point is, IMO, that 42% never gets talked about so why would it grow, yeah?

        Or, put another way, when I talk about women, who are my allies against the Patriarchy, I speak of why I like them (because I do, I LOVE women). They are resilient, strong, resourceful, grounded, etc, all the good stuff, and I try to include all women in that, they are my allies. I try NOT to focus on trad wives, manipulators, “gold diggers”, abusers, weirdos like MTG or Caitlyn Jenner , you know, bad people (and there are plenty).

        But when I hear about men in the ally space, it feels like I hear all about how awful and dangerous we are and that’s it. And there’s ALWAYS this group of guys willing to go along with it and point and go “yeah, we totally suck! You guys saying we don’t are the real problem!” But, how is that motivating to anyone? It makes me upset, anyways. Maybe I’m just a big emotional baby, who knows?

        Anyways, I’m blabbing. Bad habit of mine.

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            An I demographic blaming?

            Honest question, why so defensive? This post is demographic blaming, but am I supposed to go, “oh yeah I suck even though I am an ally.” Is that it? Is that what you want? Subservience? Or an honest conversation so we can move forward?

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          I mean, I’m out. Doesn’t matter what I do or how I vote I’m going to be called the enemy by the left anyway. They are adamant that I am their enemy and that they are mine. So that’s how it’s gonna be.

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          I would rather kill myself than vote for trump, who is a sexist, racist and fascist.

          And I am with you. The boarder left is in denial that they are alienating especially young men with that behavior.

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            Meanwhile the right is actively recruiting young men. The name “Manosphere” for their recruitment cedes that ground to them with no resistance. “That’s just how men are, they hate women and vote for Trump because celebrities tell them to.” The right is actively selling their ideology to young men, the left isn’t.

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              The left has nothing for them, the American left used to be racist and sexist too, but then they expelled the dixiecrats.

              Where do you think all that sexist racist scum came from? You think they wave confederate flags for no reason?

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        young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway

        Nice anti-masculine sentiment. No wonder they voted Trump. You guys don’t hide your disdain as well as you think you do.

        feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

        Lol I wonder why…

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          As a guy who used to be a young man and with a lot of young men as friends, retrospectively yeah, most issues were based in insecurities. You really want to be an adult and you feel like you should be one but you don’t know how to be one. You go out and want to meet girls and you are scared of the rejection.

          You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t. It is an understanding of humans.

          Just as a sidenote, based on my experience every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

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          As a father of a daughter?

          Those men need to go fuck themselves and die.

          I am horrified my daughter might have to share a world with that complete trash.