I just got permanently banned from a community for making a single harmless remark on a single post that was right there in the main feed. It’s not a community I’m super active in so it’s not like devastating, but it is annoying
If your precious little community is full of so many delicate sensitive people who can’t even be reminded that another viewpoint even exists, then you should really protect them by defederating and having everyone join your private website
The mod has literally removed like 75% of the comments and banned everyone lol
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t have time to read every rule for every community that pops up when I’m in view all
I defended @beaver@lemmy.ca when a comment of theirs was reported.
I was just given context on this. Looking at their comments in that light, I have decided to ban them from !unpopularopinion@lemmy.world for all their bad faith arguments. Banning people for “bad faith” voting is bullshit. Coming here to defend that horrible action will not be tolerated.
Thank you and good riddance to @beaver@lemmy.ca, when you look at the amount of subs she is modding, it’s quite worrying. It makes me wonder if she does anything else with her time.
We all know it’s the vegan community. I got banned for simply voting on comments.
Now they’re also spamming posts to fill up everyone’s feeds.
Same here lmfao, the utter sensitivity.
Edit: Also, it’s mostly that one power-mod spamming vitriolic posts. I just blocked them and my feed is a lot nicer. Dude’s checking the database and just banning everyone who downvotes him.
Is that something regular moderators can do…?
Not that I particularly care, but I moderate three communities on here and none of the tools available to me show who downvoted what. Exposing that type of info with that type of granularity feels like a bad idea to me; the sort of thing that is just begging to invite some sort of abuse.
ActivityPub votes are public by design, Lemmy just hides the voters from users, while Mbin displays them. Anyone can also spin up their own instance and get access to the data.
PieFed recently added a feature to pseudonymize votes. When enabled, your votes are labeled with the name of a shadow account linked to yours, but only the administrators of your instance know that it belongs to you.
shadow account linked to yours, but only the administrators of your instance know
- Vote my conscience
- Bribe my admins to secrecy
Gotcha!
Yep, I mean you can see for yourself, I’ve never posted anything about veganism nor have I posted on the sub, and I was banned for “anti vegan sentiment” or something, I don’t feel like looking back at their rules lol.
Their rules have the word “carnist” in them, so that should show you how seriously to take them.
It’s a real word, even if it’s a relative neologism, so I’m not sure why you have the scare quotes around it. In fact, the term has been in use for over t20 years, so, IDK man, maybe accept it. Implying that it’s not a real word because you don’t like it–versus because it’s used as a slur to other people–kinda feels like Musk’s complaints about cisgender.
Wasn’t ‘spastic’ a mainstream word too, for a hundred years? (Popularity again somehow implies legitimacy here). And I’m sure we can find a number of really objectionable words from the warmer us states that were incredibly popular for decades and are, yet, offensive.
Likewise, we’re allowed to dislike words like ‘moist’ and lazy prefixes like ‘cis’ while understanding they are still - for the moment - words.
This is a terrible tangent, though, and I’m okay if we stop this worthless digression.
Is spastic no longer an acceptable word? The only context I have for it is involuntary motion, from spasm. (Or the great Skinny Puppy song, Spasmolytic.)
You don’t think it’s awfully telling that it doesn’t make any regular occurrence until that community picks it up?
I think that it’s irrelevant to whether or not it’s a real word. All words are made-up words. There wasn’t any term for cis-gender that had any kind of popularity until about 20 years ago, simply because no one thought of the concept in that way; you were either normal/typical, or you were transsexual (transgender is the preferred term now, since people are also more likely to understand gender in terms of social construction rather than genitals or chromosomes).
Similarly, you can say that carnist is the opposite of vegan; a carnist is someone that is not vegan. A person that is cisgendered is not transgendered. A person that is heterosexual is not homosexual.
Do I find what vegans imply with the term to be insulting? Yes. But that doesn’t make it any less real.
It was indeed! The post in question was particularly smarmy and my response was pretty tame in comparison. Why even have a community if you don’t want anyone to have a conversation?
Vegans are a relative minority group that a lot of people like to antagonise. That’s not to say you were doing that, I haven’t looked at what you got banned over. Just that a lot of people do go out of their way to try to annoy vegans, and because there are relatively few vegans those people can quickly drown out any attempt to discuss, like, vegan recipes and such
Honestly most of the posts I see on /c/vegan or /c/veganmemes are just making fun of and antagonizing people who eat meat lmao
vegans are a relatively minor group
Wanna debunk that real quick. I live in Berlin, every major supermarket has a few sections completely dedicated to vegans. And I’m pretty sure they’ve also become a bit larger in general. Still the minority, but definitely significant by now.
That said, a very small minority is very vocal about it. A lot of people in my circles just live it, and they don’t really care to proclaim it, that’s the difference. And sure a lot of them want people to eat less meat, but no one is gonna get on your ass about it.
Doesn’t really change the jist of what you’re saying of course, just wanna make sure we’re not dragging the whole movement into it.
Germany has an absolutely huge vegan and vegetarian population compared to other countries though, Berlin even more so. More rural areas of Germany are a very different story, but it’s still way more of the population than in most places.
Take this with a grain of salt, because it’s been more than a decade, but the only restaurant I could visit in the early 2010s in Heidelberg (!) as a vegetarian was an Indian restaurant. I’m in a different college town now and it’s like 20% vegan, but the age demographics are similar to Berlin.
It’s tribalism. We’re unfortunately all guilty of it in one way or another and it has become more serious with the increase of social media use
I like this explanation in particular: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/beyond-school-walls/202304/tribalism-in-the-age-of-social-media
Edit: to add, I am suspecting that I’m still getting brigaded by a group I pissed off last week. It really doesn’t bother me if they are doing that, but there are people that take their internet points more serious than I do so there are definitely people in the fediverse that will do that to you
If it helps, votes on here do literally nothing outside of the post they’re in. If there’s a lot on one comment, it gets sorted to the bottom and maybe collapsed, but that’s it. If someone is going around downvoting you, they’re just wasting their own time.
Oh yeah I’m aware. I’m not worried about it. I wouldn’t have even figured it out if a couple of people didn’t try to taunt me.
That’s… sad.
That explains why I’m banned from there. I saw a post from there pop up on all that I actually agreed with and when I tried to comment I learned I was banned.
I missed this whole thing. I’ve had them blocked for as long as I can remember.
Could have been lemmy.ml!
Nope.
I have a cousin on FB who’s like that, spamming feeds with a lot of stuff promoting a diet that works around her particular allergies and needs and trying to proselytize it to anyone who appears to be listening. The volume was actually really high, and for stuff that isn’t family stuff like I usually use that account to just see.
So, blocked. It’s like her and a rabid anti-gov/vax/tax nutjob blocked, and I dunno whether that’s right.
I got banned for downvoting. Kind of hard to take people seriously when they’re so sensitive to criticism that the equivalent of a thumbs down emoji gets you banned.
Pretty sure I just got banned from c/vegan because I downvoted “wrong”. Haven’t interacted in any other way, so not sure what else it could be. Also recently got banned from c/imageai for downvoting “too much”? This is a weird trend that seems like a bad path for Lemmy to go down if it’s starting to become the norm.
*Also, what’s up with not being able to block a community you’re banned from? They don’t want you there but you’re forced to view their content? That makes no sense.
I see a lot of comments about a particular vegan community. Sounds like people here need something like c/chillVegans where you don’t get kicked out unless you’re a total menace.
The problem is that people love to needle vegans, so it would just end up as gore.
How about you kick out all of the actual assholes?
Feel free, based on this comment section, we’d all appreciate it.
I don’t personally want to sort through that gore, which is a pretty common attitude for vegans. I suspect that’s why there aren’t more general spaces for chill vegans.
If the vegans there can’t take a joke, they aren’t very chill. However, being intentionally offensive and rude shouldn’t be tolerated, even if it’s a chill place.
Pretend that it’s any other earnestly held belief. I wouldn’t expect a chill Catholic community to be down with cannibalism jokes, I’d just expect them not to engage in purity tests or call non-Christians heathens. I’d expect that a chill Hindu community would remove “Holy cow!” comments, but they probably wouldn’t remove people for admitting they eat chicken or ban non-Hindus.
I would expect a chill vegan community not to remove comments from people who eat meat or to call omnivores “bloodmouths,” but jokes like “how do you spot a vegan?” or “I’m going to eat twice as much meat tonight to make up for you” would probably still get removed. I get that the second one seems harsh, but it’s a system of ethics for vegans, so it isn’t a joking matter for them.
Plus, all four of those jokes are way, way overdone.
Also, what’s up with not being able to block a community you’re banned from?
I’d like a setting that automatically hides communities where I can’t participate. If I have to be a member of some club, hit some threshold of something, whatever; I just don’t want to see it, then.
Also recently got banned from c/imageai for downvoting “too much”?
My guess is it’s because there are a bunch of people who hate AI in general, and they want votes to instead reflect which images people like or don’t like for what they are instead of every post having a negative score.
Yep. Banning users who aren’t subscribed to a community and are just downvoting everything that comes up is pretty common and understandable.
The typical modlog entry I see for that is “block the community or curate your feed”, and I think that’s pretty justified. It’s like intentionally showing up somewhere you don’t want to be just to “booooo” everything there. Being asked to leave and not demoralize the people just trying to exist in their own space is perfectly fine, IMO.
Voting on content in the feed is helping to curate it for others. If a community gets more down votes than up votes, maybe the community is the one at odds with people
If you’re browsing “Subscribed” sure. But don’t browse “all” just to shit on things you have no interest in. Block the community and move on 🤷♂️
If downvoting for disagreement isn’t okay, then why is it okay to upvote for agreement? (And why did you downvote me, if you think that’s a bad thing?)
Voting is so users can express their opinion of what does or doesn’t belong in the feed. People who can’t handle mild criticism or disagreement shouldn’t be posting things in public spaces
Personally, I agree with the vegan philosophy of reducing factory farming of meat. What I think is bad for society is villainizing anyone who doesn’t 100% agree with the most extreme viewpoints. Which is explicitly the sort of posts I downvote
And also why I’m no longer allowed to downvote toxic vegan posts in Lemmy.ca
Also, what’s up with not being able to block a community you’re banned from?
Wait, really? I’m gonna have to check on that. Curious if that’s an API limitation or a frontend bug. What frontend did you use? Lemmy-UI?
Thanks. I’ll add that to my test cases for the UI I work with. I don’t think I’ve ever tried to block a community the test user was banned from, so I’m curious if it’s an API restriction or the way the UI handles it. Will prob also submit a bug once I figure out which.
Edit: That looks like the community options that have the “block community” button are all hidden when you’re banned rather than the “block” functionality being restricted. I’m almost positive now that it’s just a UI bug. Will still add it to my test cases, though.
I just checked and using the default Lemmy UI (on desktop) you totally can block communities you’re banned from. I’m pretty sure what we’re looking at must be some kind of UI/front end bug.
Thanks for the additional info. I’m gonna set up test cases in the UI I work with and try to confirm (and handle it better if need be). A UI bug was my assumption as well.
Yeah same. I don’t downvote indescriminately, but a post had factory farmed fish : 0 not factory farmed. Like no shit. Whatever, that supermod was going off the deep end with their comments lately.
I have zero clue who/what you’re talking about, and I feel I’m better off for that.
Is “agreement” a rule? That’s too incongruous to believe – only because loyalty requirements are a far right thing, not the rules for a group typically skewing left.
I never care about these posts unless you share what you posted.
Too Many times the “it was just a little joke bro” turns out they called someone’s dog the N word or something and understand why they got banned.
“What it wasn’t like I said it about a person, just a ***** dog”
So, have fun OP, but making this post makes me doubt you more than them if you’re not going to recount any details at all.
Feel free to check the modlog.
Butthurt Beaver has also been banning anyone who dares vote incorrectly.
how
admins of other instances can see who voted, and what they voted. You can easily build a self-hosted copy so you’re an admin, federate with Lemmy.world, and see who is voting on a post/comment.
Mods cannot see who votes on a post/comment, so this is the only way.
Vegans will talk mad shit and then get so mad when their thread reaches nonvegan feeds.
Can’t stand the heat, which is why they eat salad.
Rip roast veggies
Fuck I would give this comment Reddit gold if I could. You just made me snort soda.
Not to be all “not like the other girls” about veganism, but I kind of hate the general vegan communities. They always end up turning into a who can hate meat eaters the most contest and the less extreme members usually leave. It’s also really frustrating because the goal should be to get more people eating plant based, and their methods just push people away. Yeah, of course I believe people should stop eating meat, and I struggle to understand how someone can acknowledge the cruelty of factory farming and turn around and eat a burger, but shouting them down isn’t accomplishing anything. I’m not going to engage with the people who show up just to talk shit, but I’m down to talk to anyone actually open to a conversation.
That said, there are a lot of people who think it’s suuuuper funny to seek out vegan communities to make the same tired ass comments that lead to vegans becoming angrier and more insular, so I really don’t want to make this a Vegans Bad comment. I get the desire to tell people to fuck off. It’s exhausting to try to talk about a news article and be constantly drowned out by trolls.
OP, I don’t know what your comment said, but you know whether or not you were engaging in good faith. Maybe you deserved the ban, maybe not. I just think maybe sometimes we could all stand to keep scrolling.
I struggle to understand how someone can acknowledge the cruelty of factory farming and turn around and eat a burger,
Because cruelty is inherent to food production in most places in the west, to one degree or another. Even for non-factory farmed meat, there’s going to be some cruelty at the very end of an animal’s life, since event he most compassionate slaughter is still slaughter. But even going past that, to plant-based foods. in the US at least we rely on labor abuses in order to have groceries that are affordable. The migrants that pick oranges in Florida (or, picked; DeSantis is trying to eliminate undocumented immigrants, and the result is that farmers are having a very hard time finding labor) work in terrible conditions for horrible pay, conditions that no person protected by labor laws would ever accept. But we, as a society, are aware of this, and accept that this cruelty is necessary for us, because we won’t–or can’t–pay for produce that comes from co-op farms.
We–all of us–pick and choose where we put our energy.
You are now banned from c/vegan
THANK YOU ! I was feeling like I was alone with this point of view…
Was I voting on comments on bad faith?
Well let’s not pretend people don’t routinely use the downvote as a disagree button. And you’ll notice I never said the mod in question was 100% right or wrong, just that I can see how people on both sides end up angry.
Disagreement isn’t an invalid case for voting, despite what Reddit had people believing before.
The voting system is to let people know how many people thought this content was good or not good for the feed. If you shouldn’t downvote for disagreement, then you shouldn’t upvote for agreement either
But nobody has any problem with that
It’s also really frustrating because the goal should be to get more people eating plant based, and their methods just push people away.
Why should that be the goal of the c/vegan community? Why can’t it just be for vegans to vent, and exchange advice/news about vegan food?
This expectation that vegans need to always be positive and welcoming towards meat eaters barging into their vegan communities is exhausting and kind of ridiculous.Oh I don’t feel like I need to be welcoming to people who have no intention of listening and are just there to be dicks. I just don’t want to push away anyone who might be open to the idea of changing their diet by immediately telling them what a terrible person they are for not doing it already. It’s important to me not just to reduce the harm I do, but to try to minimize it elsewhere if I can.
It’s a fairly common tactic of evangelical religious groups to send young people out to proselytize; they say that they’re called to spread the religion to the whole world, and that the proselytizing is to save people by converting them. The tactics that the young people are taught are often antagonistic. An extreme example is the Westboro Baptist Church, but all evangelical religions use similar tactics. Unsurprisingly, very few people convert. The true purpose of antagonistic proselytizing is to reinforce in/out group status; the youth are rejected by outside people, while being praised by people within their own group. That reinforces their feelings of comfort and safety within their group, and makes it more difficult for them to leave. Leaving the safety of the group means that they’re severing their most intimate social connections, and that cost is too high for most people.
This was my experience as a Mormon; this has been the experience of many Mormons, and of all people that have left high-demand evangelical religions.
IF they really cared about getting more people to join their religion, they would be opening and welcoming to people, even people that were antagonistic to them. When you think about it from a PR standpoint, it should be clear that acting antagonistically towards people that simply don’t believe the same things–not people that are being antagonistic themselves–works counter to the purpose of persuasion.
I get what you’re saying, but the idea that every vegan community must make it their goal to convert people, and act accordingly, is just wrong.
What if they just want to shitpost among themselves?Then they can do so in the privacy of their own fora.
Edit: the butthurt brigade has arrived!
Don’t federate if you don’t want to federate.
So, like, if I organize a block party where everyone’s invited, and someone drops a deuce in the punch bowl, I shouldn’t ask them to leave because I should have had a discrete guest list?
I’d say it’s more like I went to a party where the host invited the entire block but only wants people there wearing funny hats, but didn’t tell anyone they had to wear a funny hat and then called the police to complain that their house is full of people who aren’t wearing funny hats.
I’d take the ban without question if I was acting like an ass on there, but all I did was make a comment that didn’t specifically agree with them that everyone who isn’t vegan is apparently a horrible person who persecutes vegans constantly lol
but didn’t tell anyone they had to wear a funny hat
FYI, I don’t know the specific case here, just being generic.
The rules are right there in the sidebar in pretty much all clients, though it varies on mobile depending on app/web UI. Most communities here have rules. Society has rules. Ignorance of those rules, whether accidental or willful, is never a valid excuse for breaking them. “I’m sorry, officer, I didn’t know I couldn’t do that” isn’t a valid legal strategy.
To return to the analogy: it would be like showing up to the event without a funny hat despite the invitation clearly stating that a funny hat is required and then being asked to leave. It’s on the attendee to read the details on the invitation and be aware of any requirements.
“Calling the police” would be more akin to escalating to a site admin to have you banned for that which, I agree, would be extreme unless the person decided to be an ass and make a scene on the way out (not throwing shade with that, just using an actual party example I’ve had to deal with).
Doesn’t explain the 20 or so users banned in the past couple of hours for “rule 5” having never posted in the community.
Well put
Yeah, I don’t really get it either.
You don’t have to comment on everything you see. Seems more logical to focus on a few communities you know, and pay more attention when you browse All.
Even if you comment, it’s okay to be banned. Move on. Why make a post to complain about it if you don’t care?
Seriously these mods ban you for literally nothing. I think they’re worse on here than they ever were on Reddit. Bunch of fucking children I swear to God.
edit Oh hey now I’m banned from c/vegan too. I wasn’t even talking about them. They’re even worse I guess.
Wait, did you post there, or did you get banned there, for this post HERE?
I have no idea when I was banned from there. I assume it was this post, cuz I don’t think I’ve ever posted there before. I just noticed when I tried to upvote a thread earlier it wouldn’t let me so I assume this is where it came from.
Was it c/vegan because there is apparently a mod there who has gone off the deep end and is banning anyone who downvotes let alone comments. They are hermetically sealing the c/vegan echo bunker.
Oohh let’s try an experiment. I have never been to c/vegan even though my stepson and his wife are vegan so I guess I might have a reason to … sorta.
Anyway here goes. … Hey c/vegan, the one mod over there is a completely douchebag and should just stop being a right cunt. Please ban me until they fuck off.
How do you find out if your banned?
Go there and try to vote on something or comment on something, it will immediately tell you if you are banned
Picked a few random top posts and up/down voted a few. Nothing yet.
You’re too late. The butthurt Beaver has been banned.
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I’ve never come across a friendly vegan community. I’m not exactly looking for one but the ones that make themselves known tend to have extreme takes. There’s nothing wrong being vegan but their online community sure feels they’re going about it the wrong way, being overly dismissive and defensive rather than open and helpful.
You are now banned from c/vegan
It can depend on how one interacts with the community as those who are open-minded are often welcomed and taught the ethical ways of doing things.
lol. “If you agree with us, you can stay.”
That’s why we have the vegan community for vegans and open-minded meat eaters.
As long as the carnitas keep their dirty, meaty mouths shut, right?
People with speciesist tendencies are not allowed on the community however if they have an open mind sure!
So why have a community on a federated instance? Why ban people for passive participation?
People need to learn about the vegan subculture. Why should a community shut itself down because others cant handle different ideas.
Ahhhhh… feels just like Reddit! It’s like we never left!
Perhaps that would be a better home for that community?
I can’t wait to see you guys on c/fedilore!
Was it on the vegan community? I bet it was on the vegan community.
Their echo chambers are lined with the same material the tankies use in their communities.
Nah, a ton of people say the same thing.
They’re wrong, and so are the immediate bans (the bans are asshole moves, but you don’t just jump into a C/ without checking the vibe a little), but it’s too common a complaint to call unpopular.
Just leave the rabid vegans alone. They are showing you who they are. Believe them and don’t waste your time trying to be rational with them.
We’re talking about u/beaver aren’t we?
One of the things I disliked about Reddit was the self righteous power mods that turned the site in to an echo chamber.
If you can’t handle a counter point that’s been made in good faith, then get off of the soapbox.
Meat eaters engage in the 300+ logical fallacies more often than enough in my experiences.
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Some people get the tiniest shred of a hint of a… concept of a plan… of power and it turns them into tiny tinpot tyrants. Sometimes they’re on HOAs, sometimes they’re middle management, and sometimes they moderate communities or forums online. You can’t reason with them, and it’s out of your ability to destroy them, so you’re better off just shrugging your shoulders, giving them the finger, and then doing something else.
You have been permanently banned from c/ConservativeCatRecipes.
