We’ve got a collective fetish for being lightly choked all day while in an air conditioned space and attending meetings about “north star visions”.

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Dude we’re discussing kindergartners.

A kindergartener having to even be in high trauma situations in the first place is a societal failing, and one that probably shouldn’t be papered over by giving them first aid training but instead be handled by addressing the reasons why you’re putting so many kindergarteners in traumatic situations in the first place.

Edit: I can see the case for this type of training in young adulthood, but kindergartners? GTFOH

Not like these people had any warning that they might be buying a shitty product designed and sold by a pathological liar /s:

And the glass is virtually indestructible instantly smashes

Would you say smaller forums where people largely know each other are communities then? IRC? Discord?

Probably not, but they’re at least closer. Real communities provide you care, support, relief from loneliness, a sense of purpose, etc. etc. etc.

It’s possible for some (lucky souls) to find tiny nuggets of these benefits in even the worst online “communities” (I think partially because we’re hard wired as humans to need these things), but by and large it’s does not exactly scratch the same itches that your grandma’s sewing circle or bridge club used to.

Because I struggle to think what else could or has ever fit such a strict definition.

It’s difficult to reason about because if you’re anywhere close to my age group (old ass millenial) online “communities” appeared and replaced existing physical communities across the country (I’m speaking in US terms). We’re now basically as lonely as we’ve ever been as a country, and I think it’s at least partially related to us going inside and screen timing it up for a number of decades on these platforms where “the community” is a bunch of strangers angrily typing messages to you through the Internet.

I find it no small coincidence that loneliness in America skyrocketed even as people became more active on social media. It points at the exact lack of benefit you get out of these “communities” that you used to get out of the old type.

You can make this same, tired, ultimately invalid argument about anything you look to improve.

You can’t prevent the spread of all communicable disease, so why bother taking any precautions?

Someone could build their own gun, so why bother preventing a convicted felon from buying an oozie?

Someone could evade a line item tax by hiring a fancy lawyer and setting up bespoke legal structures around themselves as an entity, so why bother looking at closing any of the existing tax loopholes?

The answer is that because it’s not fucking all or nothing. Sure, someone could hypothetically do lots of things to evade any precaution that you put in place around dangerous or bad things, but that doesn’t mean it’s completely ineffective. If it’s too much of a hassle, some people won’t bother. Some people will actually get caught. Hell, with the existing lax corruption laws and lazy ass enforcement in the US people are still sometimes found in violation of them.

It isn’t a “if you ain’t first you’re last” situation. Reasonable safeguards, laws, standards, practices, and the like save and improve lives.

Yeah but that doesn’t mean I think it’s a “community” that I am “joining”.

Certainly by some definition of the word you can call these things communities just because that’s how language works. Using “community” in this way is so pervasive I laughingly recall a tech bro watch company calling the people that buy their watches a “community”.

But from the meaning of the word before the rise of social media, social media platforms and the loosely structured groups underneath that you “form” by “joining” (AKA sometimes just looking at a video or web page or something) them definitely don’t resemble nor replace a community.

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TL;DR: Being subscribed to “Lemmy Shitpost” (or just not blocking it, as is my case) isn’t exactly like joining the local chapter of the Loyal Order of Moose.

I don’t understand how anyone thinks any social media platform resembles a community.

The problem is the slaughterhouses hiring children, not that the children working there can’t moonlight as EMTs. 🤦

Sure, but that doesn’t mean that even discussing real or hypothetical measures to reign in corruption is inherently worthless because you can sometimes get around some of them.

I hate the US “either we solve everything, or nothing is worth doing” mindset that’s pervasive in this country, and the only reason I responded is because you’re providing a good example of it.

IIRC, people were talking about places in this thread that aren’t the US.

As stated, political bribery in the US is nearly 100% legal. You can even study it in school and make a career out of it.

Eh… There are a variety of end-runs around this mechanism.

There are any number of hypothetical end-runs around just about anything you can think of, that doesn’t make protections, mechanisms, controls, or safeties useless.

In the US, political bribery is nearly 100% legal. I’d rather have some hoops for corrupt officials to jump through. We don’t even make them break a sweat in this country.

If people want storage space they should buy a station wagon. If they want to transport for work they should buy a Caddy type. If they want to go outdoors offroading then they should get a licence on how to drive offroad and how to prevent front-over accidents etc.

Most people buying one of these expended exactly zero seconds of thought on what they need from an automobile.

If someone even managed to get any law in place like what you’re suggesting (which they won’t because it goes against the interests of business), the right wing idiot backlash would be furious and cacophonous and the net result would be Florida marking a day on the calendar as state wide “Ford-fuck-you-mobile” day.

Are we not better than that?

I think it’s abundantly clear that we are not better than that.

Probably has fair few bots, foreign actors looking to stir up shit, and a half dozen corporate shills looking to alter public opinion as well.

Edit: Nevermind. You’re right, downvoting guys. You’re all definitely humans arguing in good faith on this platform where all i needed to join was to pick a username and password. 😆

Like industrial accidents from bad management and OSHA/child-labor violations.

Yes, which certainly we’d expect a kindergartener to encounter. /s

If you have a situation in your country where you’re regularly expecting kindergartners to perform first aid, you’ve failed them before you’ve even kicked off the lesson.

Problem is, gun are useful.

Problem is, people are stupid.

Which is evidenced by both your shitty grammar, and tired argument.

FYI the value size pizza is almost always the largest one they have.

Dude literally staged a coup to stay in power and we are debating whether or not he’s too much of a racist or antisemite to be President again.

Humans aren’t mostly rational. Lots of people aren’t rational at all.