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Summary
Since Donald Trump’s return to office, ICE and DEA agents have intensified immigration enforcement, conducting door-to-door sweeps in Colorado.
Initially targeting suspected criminals, recent operations now question all residents, regardless of warrants. A Denver apartment complex saw widespread searches, sparking protests and fear among undocumented families.
Activists and attorneys are mobilizing to inform residents of their rights. Schools report growing student anxiety.
Trump’s border czar, Tom Homan, confirmed a broad crackdown, declaring, “If you’re in the country illegally, you’re on the table.”
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That’s not fascist at all.
Aufmachen!
There’s this old song by a British band called The Clash. Something something about Brixton. And the Brits don’t even have a second amendment.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun
“If you are in the country illegally, you are on the table”
Sounds pretty reasonable to me.
You people and businesses need to understand you can’t build quality of life by using semi slave work
What you’re pretending to miss is that those in powers are making sure that those people remain “illegal” , on purpose. In the first place, you’re the one creating the situation of them being “in the country illegally”.
The correct solution is to give them papers, not to deport them and treat them like criminals for a situation you put them in. Remember that the “you’re on the table” argument that you claim is reasonable is putting them in prison where you can exploit them harder as slaves, it’s only one step after what’s happening to them already.
Everyone can be illegal if you don’t make anyone legal and then claim they’re only getting punished because they broke the law. There’s nothing reasonable there.
Yeah, because sending them to guantanamo, children and women included, is so humane. Good thing they won’t be in America where they are ‘slaves’.
2017 Democrats: “Trump’s expansion of the ICE is creating a personal police force to do his bidding.”
2025 Democrats: “The fuck you want me to do about it? I already warned you this would happen.”
Should’ve nominated better candidates.
Bernie was on the ballot and Biden doubled his vote count.
:Looks at what happened to Bernie and the current state of America: How’s that working out for you guys?
I would love to hear some constructive criticism from you. As in what people can do about it.
Doomerism is all fine and dandy as long as there’s a goal in mind. Otherwise you’re just rage masturbating in a corner screaming into the void.
Ok here’s some constructive criticism: The 2nd Amendment was made for times like these, what would your grandfathers do if they were your age and the Nazis have successfully invaded Americas highest office? Inaction is action. There’s plenty of historical info proving that a complacent centrist majority is required to allow a fascist minority to take power. Your “government” has proven time and time again they serve against your interests, for over half a century, when will it get through to you Americans? You can dig and discuss and follow the data all you want and every time it will lead to billionaires, and every time the conversation stops there for some reason. Perhaps Kamala losing because a population of people voted against genocide is a time for self reflection and reevaluation, not doubling down on the very people who got us here in the first place, I personally still hold a grudge since Obama’s approach to the 2008 financial crisis that led us to where we are today. Perhaps we need to stop doing human sacrifices so that miracles can be performed by our God “The Markets,” didn’t we have a whole Enlightenment Era to get over this very thing? (Looks up the history of America and the late 1700s) And perhaps maybe, just maybe, occupying a sidewalk and leaving politely when ordered to doesn’t really make the oligarchs afraid or take us seriously. Perhaps the best approach would be to gather en masse, guns out in the open, outside the gated communities of millionaires and billionaires. It’s gonna have to happen sooner or later, but later requires many more to suffer. You can say whatever you want but the world is collectively watching what you (Americans) are doing (or aren’t doing).
You’re advising armed violent revolt in a country you don’t live in?
God forbid Americans, the people yelling all day every day about freedom, use guns for constitutional purposes rather than shooting up schools.
They’re all riding around in militarized machinery with a roof gunner hatch. Full face coverings and taping over doorbell cameras. Goddamned douche larpers trying to pull a Kristallnacht.
Need to create an app like Watch Duty to social track their movements. Local news is doing a good job so far. For now.
Funny thing is this could be done way more cheaply and humanely.
Have an amnesty. If you’re in the country illegally, turn yourself in. You get $250 cash and a free ticket to wherever you came from.
Promise that’ll cost less than arresting everyone and jailing them.
It’s not about money and humanity though.
It’s about punishing “other” people.
You’re very likely right. I’m certainly not going to stand up and claim Trump is pure as driven snow. Or at the very least, that’s a part of it, for many of the people who push such a policy.
I think we’d all agree whoever gave the order to have ICE agents dress up in SWAT gear and go door to door wasn’t thinking about humanity.
I think my great-great grandfather immigrated from Ireland. Can I get on board with that?
Too bad it’s your great grandfather. If it was your grandfather, you’d be eligible for Irish Citizenship.
hahaha I can see the appeal of a free ticket to Dublin and $250 to spend when you get there…
But no you wouldn’t qualify as you’re a citizen (born in the USA).
Oh I know I don’t qualify. Funny enough was asking dad to find out about his grandfather because that might have gotten him a path to citizenship. Nope, Mississippi.
But you see, being an asshole and dehumanizing+hurting people with immunity is the whole point.
That’s the problem- I’m pretty sure you’re right. Either that or whoever got the instructions to get rid of undocumented immigrants has no cleverness at all and pushed the only button they can think of (send in jack booted thugs).
Trump may or may not be ignorant but his words fan the flames of racism and xenophobia. And while I think it’s possible he’s just ignorant, for someone in his position ignorance is no excuse. As President, as a commander, like any other commander he’s responsible for the actions of his subordinates when they are following his orders. He doesn’t get the luxury of not knowing, not understanding, not being aware of what his orders end up doing.
That’s not going to work. You’re asking them to abandon their homes, family, friend networks, and be banned from ever returning.
Conservatives characterize immigrants as poor people who haven’t been here long and are a burden on our systems. The truth is almost exactly the opposite. The vast majority of the 11 million people here illegally have been here for years, if not decades. They are productive, they pay taxes, and commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens.
The answer is to stop worrying about “economic” migrants. Deport immigrants with DUIs and violent or financial felony convictions. Beef up the department of labor and go after companies paying people less than minimum wage. Then it’s not a matter of jobs or services or crime. The only thing left is xenophobia.
For many, I agree. That’s also the problem with this sort of policy, it makes no distinction between a migrant poor worker who picks tomatoes or whatever for barely minimum wage and someone who settles in, starts a business, etc.
Deport immigrants with DUIs and violent or financial felony convictions. Beef up the department of labor and go after companies paying people less than minimum wage.
Agree 100% on all.
Then it’s not a matter of jobs or services or crime.
I’m not 100% sure. There’s an element of legitimacy to the policy against ‘economic migrants’, I don’t know how big but there’s an element.
Let’s say you have a difficult and strenuous job. And let’s say you have two candidates- a born and raised American, and a Latin American immigrant. If the immigrant has better quality of life here on a minimum wage job than in their home country, they’re less likely to demand higher wages or better working conditions because from their POV they’ve already got ‘better’. And that DOES affect the American- if the immigrant will do the job for $8/hr flat and be happy living in a poor neighborhood (because at least there’s no cartels like south of the border), but the American wants $12/hr and health benefits, merely having the immigrant there as an option affects the salary the American can get. Because if you remove the immigrant the company will HAVE to raise the wage to $12/hr and offer health benefits. Otherwise the company will hire only immigrants and will keep the wage low.I recognize this is a generalization and you can’t paint all of ANY people with the same brush. You can also flip it around and say forcing the company to hire Americans at the higher wages will increase costs and decrease quality-- say what you want about Latin American immigrants but in most cases I’ve seen they’re pretty much the hardest working mofos around. Thus, having some competition provides incentive for the Americans to work harder.
The problem is, it’s VERY hard to have any sort of real discussion on the subject without it being derailed either by accusations of xenophobia or actual xenophobia / racism.
That’s the point of the Department of Labor. Nobody wants to work for less pay and no benefits. Corporations can force migrants to work for less than minimum wage, no benefits, and live in overcrowded housing on site because if the migrants complain too much then the corporation just calls ICE.
And at the end of the day if corporations are too powerful and keeping wages down then we can pass a higher minimum wage. But imagine if all those ICE agents were doing spot checks on employers for pay and safety issues. Where we put our resources matters and chasing metaphorical gophers has very quick diminishing returns.
And that’s all without the macro economic point of view that points out having more consumers in your country means more economic activity which means more jobs.
Sign me up if this every becomes a thing.
This is awful. Similar to the deportation of Jews in the 1940’s in the Third Reich.
Like a Nazi looking for Jews.
In other news the first arrivals are at gitmo concentration camp.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/08/us/politics/guantanamo-bay-migrants.html
In the future: “Everything they had was repossessed by the jackasses associated to these assholes, but now we have freed them and crowdsourced society into compensating them for the stuff those jackasses enriched themselves with, so it’s all fine now.”
How can we make this expensive for them?
Recreate that party scene from home alone 1, but with Mexican music.
Ah, the freedom-loving government flexing its muscle by turning neighborhoods into checkpoints. Door-to-door sweeps? That’s not law enforcement; that’s a dystopian scavenger hunt.
Let’s not pretend this is about “safety.” It’s about fear—fear as policy, fear as spectacle. When agents knock on every door “just in case,” they’re not enforcing laws; they’re shredding trust. Schools full of anxious kids? Families sleeping with one eye open? That’s the real legacy here.
And Tom Homan’s “on the table” rhetoric? Sounds more like a threat than governance. If this is the new normal, then democracy’s just a word we slap on the side of the bus while it careens off a cliff.
By instilling fear, fascist regimes aim to create a compliant population that willingly surrenders individual freedoms and critical thinking in exchange for a false sense of security and belonging…https://prizedwriting.ucdavis.edu/fascism-and-denigration-individual
Fuck the NRA. They’re totally against all gun regulation unless it’s checks notes regulating minorities having guns.
I feel like they are pushing everyone to the breaking point. How long until they knock on the wrong door and get shot?
Homan didn’t just threaten individuals and communities, he threatened city and state officials who would dare get in his way. Almost like he knows what he’s doing will draw a lot of ire.
He’s taking small town good ol’ boy sheriff attitude to the federal level, that’s why conservatives love him.
The good ol’ boy sheriff attitude isn’t just a personality quirk—it’s a power fetish wrapped in folksy branding. Conservatives don’t love him for his “toughness”; they love him because he’s a blunt instrument for their authoritarian fantasies.
Threatening officials isn’t law enforcement; it’s political theater designed to intimidate and dominate. The ire he’s drawing? That’s the sound of people waking up to the fact that this isn’t governance—it’s performative cruelty masquerading as leadership.
Tell them to suck your dick and get a warrant, that is what I would do. Unconstitutional douchebags need to learn the constitution one insult at time.
that is what I would do
No you wouldn’t.
Yeah. I just wouldn’t respond to them.
Also make sure to check their warrants when they have them, they often only get an administrative warrant which doesn’t mean dick
If they have a warrant they can break my door down to enforce it.
And then they shoot you in the head and it’s fine because this is Trump’s America.
Stop resisting! Oh my god, officer down, officer down! Get backup!
Acorns are everywhere! I repeat acorns everywhere!
I’m…speechless and all out of snark on this one. This is fucking horrifying.
Single-issue voters who threw their vote away or sat out and did not help stop this, well, hope you’re happy with your choices.
I hope you get used to this feeling. Cuz it’s going to keep happening. It’s so fucking clear that the Democrats are not learning a single thing from this utter defeat they suffered. And the many defeats they’ve suffered the last decade and a half.
Democrats voted. It’s independent leftists that didn’t vote. And encouraged others to not vote or vote third party. Hope you’re happy with yourselves. This is what we get because you ragged on Democrats the entire election season. Gtfoh.
Seriously fucked up. Sane people saw this coming and tried to stop it. Now there’s straight up Nazi shit happening in America.
hope you’re happy
Or better, hope your losing sleep and sick to your stomachs and ready to take action in every available protest, election, boycott, donation, etc.
Unfortunately, they are still in “deny genocide is happening” mode.
Although a handful of them have taken a “America deserves genocide” tack instead.
Pffffft, yeah right. They’ll “take action” inasmuch as it saves them a trip to the voting station two blocks away. I’m praying that the people who did that will prove me wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.
This is me every time I see the “take action” bullshit. I’m not trusting my back to a bunch of people who couldn’t be faffed to wait in line on an inconvenient day.
Doesn’t hurt to know your legal rights, but we’re also in “put people in a concentration camp” territory now, so they will likely be ignored.
The thing is you have to force them to do it illegally, brutally, while people can see it. If you give in, if you agree to things, it’s too easy for them.
Yes, many people who stand up to them will die. It’s already been allowed to get to that point. Yet if you sit back and give in, it happens so much more quickly, and much more brutally.
This is especially true if you’re white, or at least not openly a minority. If you’re a middle aged white male, make them go through you. It’s dangerous, you might not make it, so make sure you’re ready. White men standing up to them, constantly, is cognitive dissonance to them. They’ll expect you to always be on your side, and when everyone isn’t, they stumble.
If people constantly resist them at every angle they will fail. We will lose good people doing it, and we have to.
So we went from “pelase vote in November” to “some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”? Holy dystopian nightmare, batman.
So we went from “pelase vote in November” to “some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”? Holy dystopian nightmare, batman.
When people didn’t vote against Fascists? Yes.
And it’s not about what people being ‘willing’ to watch others die, it’s about people standing up and being willing to die for their less powerful neighbours. I’m middle aged, male (AMAB, anyway) and white. I’ll stand between any cops, military, whatever and my fellow citizens. My grandmother (moms side) was in the Dutch resistance and was caught helping people escape the Nazi’s and spend 1941-1945 in a camp; she never fully recovered and converted to Atheism from Catholicism on her death bed, stating ‘no just God would allow what I have seen and lived through.’ My grandfather (dads side) served in the Canadian army from 1939 to 1945, and went to every country we fought in. He never slept in the same bed as my grandmother because he had screaming, wake-up-fighting nightmares from what he saw. He drove a motorcycle, delivering orders, moving supplies, etc. He was driving in a ditch beside a convoy just before dawn, for hours, and the ditch was so bumpy he had to keep slowing down because the motorcycle kept slipping. When the light broke, they were finally able to see, and he realised he was driving over the bodies of women and children from nearby villages. The ‘slipping’ was because the bodies were decaying and the motorcycle couldn’t grip, and he and his partner in the side-car took turns holding the handle bars while the other vomited over the side. They couldn’t turn around because beside the ditch was a cliff, and the convoy was bumper to bumper; they drove for six hours, at maybe 5 km/h, sobbing and vomiting. He never told me the story, he refused to talk about the war with me or my brothers, but in a drunken stupor my father told us my grandfathers war stories.
We pretend it’s somehow going to be different this time, like this time fascists can be appeased, this time they won’t invade other countries, or take away all of your rights. 30,000 people are already in camps. We all know what is coming next. You can stand aside like the German people did, watch and wring your hands, tell yourselves lies about the ‘clean Wehrmacht,’ yet everyone knows what’s happening. If we don’t stand up to them, we encourage it to happen.
It’s not if they can be appeased or not, it’s that half the country wants them in power. You are talking about a civil war.
It’s not half that want them, it’s like 20%. 80% are allowing them to do these things.
Sure, civil war, civil disobedience, call it whatever you want. They’re putting children in camps, at what point do ‘you’ (the people of the US) stand up to it? Do they need to create death camps with ovens before you all react, or are you going to ‘aww geez’ at not wanting to stand up to them? The nazi’s made it illegal to save children from being tortured to death, at what point do you say ‘law’ be damned, I won’t watch this happen?
I don’t know. They already (famously) put children in cages last time around, AND-PEOPLE-STILL-VOTED-FOR-HIM.
About percentages, 77M+ people voted R, and IIRC there were 160M registered voters, so close to half of voters voted for him, much more than 20%.
It’s already started. They’ve already started the war, but right now it’s just civil war between the MAGAts and immigrants. Very quickly it’s going to expand to to others. They’ve already removed women’s bodily autonomy, they’ve been attacking transgender people for months, and they just created their religious task force to ‘defend’ Christianity. Expect attacks on those groups to ramp up in the coming weeks.
A quarter of the country wants them in power.
Another (almost) half didn’t give enough fucks to even notice.
How do you come to one quarter? They got almost half of registered voters, even if you count elegible but unregistered it would be one third. Plenty of kids, felons, etc who can’t vote and might or might not support the shitshow.
There is a gulf of difference between “they will not respect your rights” and “you should give in.”
It helps if you google (specifically Google) things immigrants might google. It hides hotspots on the map for search terms.
I would think it would be helpful to use a VPN and switch locations over and over, use servers all around the world as well as all around the country while Googling. Really
poisonenhance the precision of the dataset.Do you have any suggestions? I don’t speak Spanish but I would assume it’s best to search in Spanish?
Specifically, click this and search for a made up name. The goal is not to ddos. This is a useful site that we want to stay up. The goal is privacy. They’re not above using this data.
Tell your loved ones that if you are detained by ICE, they can try to use ICE’s online detainee locator to find you: https://locator.ice.gov/odls/#/search
Yet another disgraceful and dark stain in American history books with the fascist pig Homan working hard to ruin peoples’ lives for no reason other than petty cruelty.
It those people’s fault. They haven’t even tried to be white cis staight Christian males, they were practically asking for it!
Hmmmm those are paper thin plate carriers. Makes you think.
Are you telling me these tacticool cops aren’t actually operators?
I mean those bump helmets are definitely representative of ICE at large, useless security theater to give fragile white egos an unearned sense of safety.
Now that I take a closer look, this Patriot Soldier looks a little…husky.
Gravy Seals in a joint strike operation with Meal Team Six.
But honestly that’s soft body armor inserts into a plate carrier. It’s fasc fashion.
This is what happens when you’re faction orders their gear off of Temu before the tariffs take effect.
I guess they’re really not afraid of taking fire from a 5.56. What a shame.
Next they’re going to start marking houses with an X
It’ll all be OK if your papers are in order….
…and other lies the Nazis used to say
Oh, it’s no lie — but to a nazi, “in order” is pretty subjective.
