• deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
    12·
    25 days ago

    You: Not disagreeing with my arguments or providing a counter point.

    Me: Not saying anything about my argument

    You: “See this proves my point”

    I don’t think you know how points work.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      25 days ago

      Nope. My point was that your claim that you had faith in me was a lie. You’re proving it.

      Again, I acknowledge that I deserve your hate. I don’t deserve to be lied to.

      • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
        13·
        25 days ago

        I wasn’t lying.

        How does anything I said prove that I was lying? How could I do anything to prove that I was or was not lying about that? I can’t, there is no evidence I could provide that would prove what is in my heart.

        If I said “I was actually lying”, that statement could be a lie.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          25 days ago

          You proved you were lying by immediately going back from “I care” to hating me. I mean what more proof is necessary?

          You don’t need to pretend or lie about caring. It’s fine. I can even give you my personal details so you can enjoy my obituary in four years when the kid turns 18.

          • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
            12·
            25 days ago

            Same thing with hating. It is something only I can know. There is no evidence I can give to prove to you that I do or do not hate you. You should read the long post I wrote, you might find some helpful stuff in there.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              25 days ago

              You hate me because you know of my existence. Like everyone else. And I don’t want your help. I want to get my daughter out of this country and safely to adulthood and then make the world a better place by removing myself from the equation.

              • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                25 days ago

                I am sorry my dude. My brain doesn’t work like that, weather or not you believe me is immaterial. I wish you luck. I hope you know or eventually know that your value is intrinsic and not tied to anything you do or accomplish. The same thing is true about your daughter as you already know.

                Also watch out for the negative self-talk. Words are powerful and using them negatively on your self is devastating.

                I want you to get strong so you can kick my ass (In discussion) later. There are lots of things that I don’t know that I don’t know, that you know. I will need your help to get educated and stronger. It is hard to come by good arguments.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  25 days ago

                  Why do you think I care what you want when you have been nothing but rude and hostile and insulting to me apart from this and one other post?

                  Also, not knowing things about me didn’t seem to stop you before from repeatedly telling me how I think I’m a special and exceptional person even though that’s a lie.

                  Also also, considering it took you multiple comments to even give enough of a shit to notice that it wasn’t my library and I didn’t have anything to do with it, I don’t believe you wish me luck.

                  Unless you mean the luck of me offing myself on the first try in four years, which I will thank you for. I’d hate to have to try more than once.

                  • deaf_fish@lemm.eeEnglish
                    1·
                    25 days ago

                    Valid points, all of them.

                    So here is the dilemma I run into. Communication is error prone, but also the truth matters. So, when someone publicly posts something that I think is incorrect (maybe I am wrong maybe not), it can have a wide effect on a lot of people. So when I engage, I have to make a judgment call on whether or not a person is being genuine. If I respond a couple of times and the other person is not acknowledging my arguments or providing counter points. It could be many things:

                    • My argument is bad
                    • My argument is unrelated or off topic.
                    • I am wrong.
                    • I misunderstood or vice-versa.
                    • … (There is probably a million things here)
                    • It could be I have caused a stubborn and/or emotional reaction causing them to not back down.
                    • or it could be the person I am arguing with has bad intentions. They are willfully spreading misinformation.

                    Now I have to pick one and go for it because while the possible misinformation is being unchallenged it is spreading to people who are tying to figure stuff out. Note that it doesn’t matter what your intentions are, the damage done is the same for intentional or unintentional misinformation. So if I think it is you and not me and I think I am right, I need to be on the offence. I need you to counterpoint to a specific argument I made or I need to make you look stupid to either get you to counterpoint or prove to the average reader that if you had a counterpoint you would have used it instead of taking my shit.

                    This is why I started to insult you. I am sorry if it caused damage. My intent is not to cause damage unless the misinformation was intentional. I don’t know of course, but I don’t think you had any ill intent.

                    Your right, I don’t think your special, that was less of a lie and more of an insult. I don’t hate you, I think you are ok (witch is a better opinion that you have of your self), and I think you can get better. All this stuff is learned and is learnable.

                    Edit:

                    About the library ownership thing. I ignored it because I think my point is valid regardless of who owns the library. My issue was not with what the library did, my issue was in the framing of why the library did it. A framing you brought up.