In a statement, Biden said that while Israel has taken responsibility for her death, the U.S. government expects continued access as the investigation continues over the circumstances of the shooting. “There must be full accountability. And Israel must do more to ensure that incidents like this never happen again,” Biden said.

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    Remember when he had those words about sanctioning high ranking members of Israel’s government if the genocide continued?

    Then he sanctioned some broke ass “settlers” for a week or two and pulled it back once everyone had clapped for him.

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      Human rights are only important when politically convenient.

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          When I hear that, who is Israel defending it self from if Gaza and the West Bank are not separate nations? Are they part of Israel and Israel is defending itself against itself?

          ‘Defend itself’ makes sense in the context of Iran or Hezbollah, but the thousands of men, women, and children killed in Gaza that are not involved in the fighting aren’t external threats. They are victims of apartheid.

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            More precisely the Palestinians are illegally occupied and occupied people have a right to defend themselves against the occupation.

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            She literally clarified that she was going to provide weapons for defense from Iran and its puppets, that she will fight for a 2 state solution, and called for a cease fire. Like a sentence later.

            Jfc. Race to the bottom, though I don’t blame you when this guy is purposely taking things out of context.

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              To the best of my recollection she was asked in the context of Gaza and the Oct 7th attack during the debate, not attacks from Iran. The ‘Israel must defend itself’ argument comes up constantly in the context of the massive death toll in Gaza.

              I know the situation is complex and foreign states like Iran fund and supply Palestinian resistance, but it seems like a an easy way to deflect criticism by changing the focus from Palestinians to hostike nations like Iran.

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              Biden has been saying that for the duration of the war. And everyday there’s a new war crime and all he does is repeat the same practiced sentences with no actions to back them up. Harris has given 0 indication that she would be any different. There comes a point where their words are meaningless on this topic and we are long past it.

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                My optimistic rose tinted guess here is that it’s very tough to speak out after what happened last Oct. Hamas was wrong and went too far in that, unjustifiably so.

                It’s a bit ironic, from what I understood at the time Netanyahu was forced into a coalition and losing power. Then the Oct attack happened and suddenly a bunch of folks stepped out of Netanyahu’s way and gave him full control again.

                Today there are many Israelites - including family members of hostages - who think things are going too far and that Netanyahu should stop.

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          The overwhelming majority of Democratic voters and the majority of all Americans support a permanent ceasefire and even conditional arms sales (a plurality for a full arms embargo). Biden and Harris are jeopardizing a significant amount of votes, especially in swing states, by not pivoting on Israel/Palestine. If Harris did pivot, she would get significant gains

          Polls:

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          I would agree with that statement if over 40,000 confirmed deaths of civilians in 8 months wasn’t what was happening.

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              Are you trying to justify America arming and funding a colonial state intent on wiping out the entire native population in addition to the routine execution and murder of international aid workers and journalists by saying “Well wouldn’t America do the same thing?”

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              And what actions has she taken to make us believe she actually means to protect Palestinians? Don’t give me quotes, give me actions.

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                  Really?? The Vice President of the United States, second only to the President, has no control over policies being made in the United States? She doesn’t have a podium to address her citizens and her fellow politicians to speak her mind and influence public opinion? She doesn’t preside over the senate to cast tie-breaking votes so that she can help sway decisions? She doesn’t have the ability to make a campaign promise, as the Democratic candidate for President, to stop arming Israel while they slaughter innocents?

                  No, she has a lot of power to help influence decisions. She’s just scared to because of that sweet sweet AIPAC money.

    • Not doubting you, but as I don’t recall this (probably because of the exhausting news cycle) citations would help.

      Anyways, I’m encouraged by the fact that other countries that are similarly allied like the UK are starting to say no. The US might not have been ready to be the first one or the only one from this group, but hopefully it will do the right thing when others like the UK set the right example…