• Atin@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    3 months ago

    Current testosterone levels are not the only part of it that needs to be looked at. We as a species have sexual dimorphism. Sure it isn’t to the same effect as some other animals such as many insects, but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male. Especially in combat sports.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      18
      arrow-down
      6
      ·
      3 months ago

      but it is enough to make it unfair for a woman to compete against somebody who went through puberty as a male.

      We have no idea if that is true about Khelif.

      I swear. More people need to know about Swyer Syndrome.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis

      Khelif may not have even known she had a Y chromosome until that test. She may have just thought she had very “masculine” features for a woman.

      • kemsat@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        3 months ago

        It’s irrelevant whether she knew or not. Once it is known, she needs to be moved to a different league/class.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          3 months ago

          So even though she might have been born with a vagina, one that essentially works like any biologically female vagina, you think she should be forced to fight men because she has a Y chromosome?

          Are there any other times where people should be genetically tested and given something different to do if it turns out they have Swyer Syndrome?

          • kemsat@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            10
            arrow-down
            4
            ·
            3 months ago

            Yes. Also, I don’t care about her vagina. That’s not the point. The point is that having a Y chromosome likely means her body has experienced heightened testosterone her whole life, which makes her much more physically capable than a normal woman whose body would not have experienced heightened testosterone levels. That basically means it’s unsafe for her more normal competitors to get in the ring against her, same as it would be to put her up against Hafthor Björnsson.

            All Olympic athletes should be genetically tested for these things, so they can compete in the right class/heat/category.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              6
              arrow-down
              10
              ·
              3 months ago

              Yes.

              Cool. Thanks for letting me know you don’t belong here. We do not allow ableist bigotry.

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  2
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 months ago

                  I will not show you what they sent to me in PM to confirm it, but let me tell you that it involved saying that disabled people are, in fact, freaks.

                  Edit: their claim was that it was not disparaging, it was descriptive.