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        This is the correct perspective. As it turns out, a huge amount of people that believe Bill Gates is injecting 5G chips into people absolutely don’t vote. If you recall, the first amendment nuts in the loser convoys and a bunch of the J6 defendants weren’t even registered to vote and yet they screeched election interference. For an election they didn’t even bother to vote in.

        2020 was one of the highest blue voter turnouts in national history making record first time voters in their 30s and 40s.

        So yes, it should be pointed out that everyday people turning out to vote against this brain rot is just as important whether or not magats and human vegetables are voting too.

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      Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.

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        I WONT LET MY KID GET THE HPV VACCINE. IT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH NO CONSEQUENCES

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          Ma’am, pregnancy is still a consequence of sex as you obviously should know after having 5 kids.

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            if she grew up with a certain kind of religious education, it’s possible she still might not have drawn that particular connection

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        There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).

        There’s some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.

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      Also, the amount of computational power that was made available for COVID research was recorded breaking.

      If you were on Folding@home at that time, they couldn’t get enough WU out fast enough for a while. Gamers really showed up and helped.

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        Yeah, it helps when you have a mind-boggling amount of computers across the world crunching your data.

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        I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.

        The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.

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    The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the “red tape” that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.

    So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.

    Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…

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      Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…

      The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that’s why they don’t hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.

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      Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.

      Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.

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        They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased funding. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.

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          The only thing that was accelerated was the scale of the tech infrastructure and the testing to target this specific variant of coronavirus. Coronavirus vaccines, and the modern technology to deliver the vaccines, was developed and piloted long before the COVID 19 started floating around.

          We were lucky AF.

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      Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.

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        Where did you read this nonsense? The COVID vaccines are FAR more effective at preventing illness and death than the flu shot. The things we learned about mRNA vaccines made for COVID will be used to improve the flu shot and other vaccines in the future. There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines. They’re extremely safe and extremely effective.

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          There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines.

          I’m not making one.

          I’m arguing the continued need for masks to inhibit spread and further development to protect the very old and very young who can’t benefit from them.

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        This simply isn’t true, they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death. Variants came along that stressed them but the main purpose of those two things has stood firm.

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          they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death

          But underwhelming at preventing infection and spread, particularly for newer variants.

          Which is why further R&D needs to continue. And people still need to mask up if they want to avoid contributing to contagion.

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        Like annual flu shots, the covid shot are freaking amazing at keeping people alive and out of the hospital. Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No. The point is to reduce severity and spread.

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          Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No.

          Plenty of vaccines do. More R&D is needed. Masking, particularly during new outbreaks is needed.

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        The Covid vaccines were really very effective against the original strains they were developed against. They effectively reduced the chances of infection.

        By the time we got to omicron- less so, though still good at preventing serious disease

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      1. Vaccines against coronavirus have been in development for decades. The urgency for them really ticked up with in the early 2000’s with SARS coronavirus floating around. Also the tech for quickly developing mRNA vaccines has been in the works since the 80’s.
      1. HIV is a very different virus and we do have pretty good treatments to prevent infection (prep) and stop HIV from becoming AIDS. I have someone in my family that has had HIV for decades and he is going to die from old age, not AIDS.
      1. Cancer, like a broken leg, is not a virus. It’s an entirely different medical problem.
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      you raise a good point. we still don’t have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.

      spoiler

      /s in case that wasn’t clear

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        Well, I’ve heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones… After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.

        … He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.

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      Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do “stand on the shoulders of giants” - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!

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        mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.

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        I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.

        HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.

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        Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.

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      To these people an apple isn’t an orange. They can’t tell that they’re both fruit.

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    The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.

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      And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It’s disingenuous to suggest that “it only took ten months.”

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        There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.

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        And it came together with new rapid prototyping technologies for vaccines, and far better computer modeling than anything anyone has ever had before. Like, there were a bunch of technologies that just happened to be coming into maturity at almost the same time, and between those technologies and the combined powers of most of the major vaccine labs on the face of the planet, and the near-infinite money to tie all of that in a nice package, a vaccine was developed in 10 months

        It’s really a story of humanity actually pulling their shit together and deciding to throw all their chips in a pile, as it were.

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          I was already amazed by the vaccines’ development but this really put into perspective just how fortunate we were and how Herculean the effort was to do it. It truly is awing what can be accomplished when the tools and our collective will are combined for a singular purpose.

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      They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I’m convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!

      They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!

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    Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He’s a fuckin’ retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist

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        Say what you want about bill gates, but that guy is the second highest donor to the world health organization, only behind the USA (yes, the country). Beats even all the other countries

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        I’d rather tax the rich and let the people decide what to do with their money than trust all billionaires to do the right things.

        This particular person is on a mission to do to malaria what science and governments did to smallpox, eliminate it from existence forever. You don’t spend 80 billion dollars to save on your taxes. He’s no perfect saint, but there are rich people who are more selfish.

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      Because if you notice, the conspiracy theories tell them to hate anyone that’s mildly helpful to humanity and celebrate sociopaths like Trump. Gates isn’t perfect but as far as philanthropy related work, he did some decent things sometimes.

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        JFK conspiracy theorists would disagree.

        You can’t logically lump all conspiracies together like that.

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      he’s really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that’s enough

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      god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as many brain cells as their iq value

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    There are two reasons for no AIDS vaccine: 1) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that targets the immune system and 2) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that is primarily associated with a group that one political party has a contingent that wants that group dead

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      More on 2: even though it’s also transmitted via blood transfusions and other “innocent” ways, the main transmission risks are unprotected sex and shared needles when using drugs.

      No way conservative, religious countries are putting up a grand effort to find a vaccine for promiscuous young people and drug users either, even if they aren’t gay.

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        Oh absolutely. Ending a needle exchange program in the 21st century gave Indiana a massive aids problem. Currently due to different cultural perceptions straight people are more at risk of hiv than gay people in some places.

        And also yeah, what actually made the US government take aids seriously was a young boy getting it from a blood transfusion. He was young enough that it was obvious he wasn’t having gay sex or doing drugs.

        There’s an idea with HIV much like HPV that you got it due to life choices and so you deserve it. But it’s important to understand here that AIDS is an absolutely fucking horrific death and nobody deserves it. It’s a death where you’re so weak you may die from a common cold. And for the worst of it in the 80s, it was alone with doctors afraid to touch you as holy men screamed how you deserved it.

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      Also I believe AIDS virus mutates very rapidly, which makes it harder in that sense to develope a vaccine for it.

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    They found a 100% effective way to place microchips on our bodies within just 10 months? Damn, I didn’t know science had advanced that much.

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    Ignorance appears to be like rabies in at least one way, once it rots enough of your brain you become fearful of anything and everything around you.

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      I’ve come to think that stupidity is the default condition of humans. And I don’t mean in the sense of “you start off not possessing much knowledge.” I mean stupidity, not ignorance.

      If you study some evolution and anthropology, you learn that the brain is an incredibly expensive organ. Most life forms opt for a lower level of intelligence that’s good enough to get some food in their face and their genitals where they need to go. The brain is a massive risk and it’s miraculous how it’s managed to pay off in our case.

      Still, thinking is hard work. I think most people would rather do hard physical labor than actually think hard about something difficult. The brain itself functions like a shortcut machine, too. It doesn’t do hard calculations on where that tennis ball is going to bounce. It makes a “good enough” guess, and that’s it. People instinctively look at what other people are doing because it’s so much easier to let your neighbor figure it out and then copy them. And, yes, people love to subscribe to a worldview, political position, or belief set that someone else is selling and just let them do all the big thinking for them.

      You could look at it as willful self deprivation, and it is, but I think it’s also just the basic gravity of pure resource management constantly pulling people down into lower levels of mental activity. Thinking takes a tremendous amount of energy.

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        Rings pretty true in the face of trans advocacy. In our case it’s really hard to fight a very simple take on something that seems like an easy “fact” because to do so depends on an understanding of a pretty specific psychological condition that dovetails into some complex social and philosophical principles and a history of how we got medically to the place we are in regarding treatment that really weren’t mainstream knowledge… And still kind of aren’t because people are more easily sold 90’s mad scientist logic over the structures that exist.

        Like trans folls and their loved ones often become versed in psychology, phillosophy, history and sometimes endocrinology as a matter of survival. It’s way more efficient for most people who don’t need to constantly defend their quality of life to just shut it all down and repeat the thought terminating cliches, feel like they are the arbiters of truth while leaving damn near everything on the table untouched.

        I relate very hard to it being like fighting the gravity of low mental resource allocation. It can feel like being crushed.

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          Oh yeah being trans throws a whole lot of heavy thinking at people. The worst kind: having to rewrite long-settled assumptions. I find it pretty easy to modify my long held definitions of gender. It’s really just recognizing the difference between sex and gender, which I’ve always known. But even I struggle to remember pronouns and names for people I have known all my life who then transitioned. And I’m willing and trying. There are folks with no trans people in their (probably very small) immediate lives and they just can’t overcome that gravity to make the change, don’t see why they should have to bother, and this leads directly to them trying to cancel the entire category of thought. It’s depressing as fuck to see people get up and fight to defend their mental laziness.

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            I mean for a lot of people it’s pretty easy to understand once it’s someone they care about.

            If a random salesperson calling your friend ma’am makes her whole damn week why wouldn’t you do that for someone you care about?

            I feel like half the issue with a lot of advocacy is we go a little too far into the intellectual stuff? I mean it definitely helps to know that the ethical underpinnings of the movement are epicurean but like… You go over someone’s head you rarely get em in the heart.

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        I think it’s arrogance that is the default condition. Specially if you are educated, because now you feel confident your opinions are correct, and others are wrong and must be stupid.

        This is mostly why people don’t get along very well. Everyone thinks they are right and they have this need to fight people who says something differently.

        Massive downvotes with no comments is a sign of this behavior.

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          I’m not sure that last sentence tracks, if people need to fight people who disagree, wouldn’t they be leaving comments, vocally disagreeing/verbally attacking the other user or their position? Just downvoting and moving is still “getting along” so to speak.

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            Downvoting is the lazy version of that…just press a button if you don’t agree with something. It’s a bit like giving reviews to people based on what you think about what they write.

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              You call it “lazy,” I call it time management. No one has the time or intellectual bandwidth to respond to all the deeply stupid comments on the Internet, so downvotes give us a quick and easy to register our opinion and move on.

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                Explains all the memes being popular I guess… Minimum effort :)

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      And tribalism is really strong. For many it doesn’t matter if what they’re fighting against is actually logical, as long as they’re doing it together and they have a common enemy like some nonexistent deep state that was made up by the Russians to sow dissent in the United States

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    In fact, there are vaccines against some cancer types. There’s a virus, which is responsible for almost all womb cancer cases. Here in Germany, the vaccine is free, if you’re under 20 iirc.

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      I’m trying to find a reason for it, but I know it’s just stupidity.

      The first innoculation was in 1796. The first lab manufactured vaccine in 1872.

      Maybe they’re stuck in mental childhood and learned vaccines were a century old in the seventies!

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    I’m mad, but for the wrong reason. I’m mad we haven’t invested enough in research for cures to other things.

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      AIDS treatment has changed a lot though. It’s not the wasting death sentence it used to be.

      Cancer is a trickier beast, because it’s so essential to what we are. Very closely tied to aging. But cancer treatment has changed a lot too. There are actually some cancers which are highly treatable and in some cases eliminated with a single shot. Look up Rituxan.

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        Yeah there are living people who contracted aids in the 80s. Like it’s kinda night and day culturally and you can get whiplash reading accounts of the time. Huge name powerful people were completely helpless and then suddenly it was an unpleasant treatment but you’d live. And now we have prep and pep. Literally there’s plan b for hiv available in every emergency room in the developed world

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          With all those miracles, it galls me that some people are still down on medicine because there isn’t a simple one-shot “cure.” It’s like the small pox vaccine made people think that until someone is a one-shot deal, science has failed.

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      I’m also mad that we, apparently, haven’t invested enough in education.

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    Both my parents didn’t want the vaccine because they were scared of side effects. Both of them have multiple chronic diseases . My dad lungs are basically dead from chaine smoking for 50+ years. They miraculously survived getting coronavirus twice…

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        Yup. I had a few people say “It’s no big deal, I had it and it was just a bad cold! It’s totally been blown out of proportion by the media!”

        I also went to a funeral for someone who got it at church.

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        No. Thankfully, my parents aren’t anti-vaxers just watched too much of Facebook ‘doctors’. Real doctors that were spewing garbage online to get views and ‘get famous’ as said by someone that was arrested by the police.

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        1 year ago

        He did have a very difficult childhood and he was so addicted he basically constantly smoked and i mean almost every second of his waking life . If you think cigarettes aren’t that addictive think again. He had like 4 to 5 packs (20 cigarettes each ) daily.