• Neuromancer@lemm.ee
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    6 months ago

    Funny, I don’t remember ever saying taxes are theft by default. What I have said is the tax system should be fair.

    Bernie has suggested this, such as taxing wealth, which is unconstitutional. He didn’t propose an amendment; he just wanted to tax wealth. He didn’t even realize that it was against the Constitution. He also said it’s unfair that Elon didn’t pay more in income tax when he made a dollar that year. He couldn’t even be bothered to look up Elon’s income.

    He says things so his plebes will clap without realizing it isn’t an intelligent or viable solution.

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      6 months ago

      What I have said is the tax system should be fair.

      By reducing the amount that the people who benefit most (by orders of magnitude) from our society pay into it. Yeah. That sure sounds fair to me.

      What an intelligent and viable solution!

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            6 months ago

            The rich already pay more than their fair taxes. If you have a cite to show otherwise, I would love to see it.

            https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/rich-pay-their-fair-share-of-taxes/

            As this chart shows, The top 1% pay 40% of all taxes but only bring in 20% of the income. That is paying their fair share.

            The top 5% pay 20% of the taxes but only bring in 15% of the income.

            So yes, I deserve a tax cut, and most likely, you deserve a tax increase.

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              Wait, I thought you never said that?

              That paper ignores people’s capacity to pay.

              Even the Bible recognizes that a poor widow’s mite is a bigger ask than a wealthy person’s contribution of a larger portion of their income. That was written two thousand years ago, but somehow conservatives still haven’t come to the same obvious conclusion.

              Our society is specifically set up to funnel money to oligarchs, and then they cry about having to contribute to that system? Boo fucking hoo.

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                6 months ago

                Why are you quoting the bible? The bible also says I shouldn’t eat shellfish. Leave your sky God out of the discussion.

                That paper ignores people’s capacity to pay.

                People need to be responsible for their finances. The answer isn’t to make other people pay your way in life. As California and New York learned, people will leave and their budgets are wrecked.

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                  If you actually read what I wrote you’d understand my point.

                  Nothing you said to me is a response to my post.

                  Try again.

                  Your peacocking value judgement is adorable, but irrelevant.

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                    No, it answers what you said but you choose to think otherwise.

                    I will make it simple for you.

                    Elon typically earns 1 dollar per year.

                    How much should he pay in taxes on that 1 dollar?

                    Your point is invalid. High-income earners already pay more in taxes, not only as a percentage but also as a total of their income.

                    You don’t see the irony in wanting others to pay more but not wanting to pay more yourself.

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              6 months ago

              The rich already pay more than their fair taxes.

              Yeah. Don’t listen to this guy.

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                  It really boils down to this: why would you go to bat for people who have more than you? They only get more by taking in more than they put out. This is called “maximizing profit.”

                  At every turn, the people you’re defending do not say “Neuromancer pays his fair share of x.” They always look for ways to get you to pay the absolute most that you are willing and able.

                  It does not make sense for people like you to say millionaires “pay their fair share” when they only become wealthy due to exploitation of everyone else who has to work for a living.

                  The fact this needs to be explained to you really shows how unaware you are of the world you live in. If you’re over the age of 18 and you still haven’t figured these basic facts out, that means you’re being taken advantage of left and right without even realizing it.

                  “A fool and his money are soon parted.”

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                    It really boils down to this: why would you go to bat for people who have more than you? Because someone always has more than someone else. Unless you are number one, someone always has more than you do. A fair society is not one that punishes the successful people. You make sure the system is fair.

                    It does not make sense for people like you to say millionaires “pay their fair share” when they only become wealthy due to exploitation of everyone else who has to work for a living.

                    I don’t buy that at all. Going to work is not being exploited. I go to work every day, and I am not exploited. I am paid fairly for the work I do.

                    If you’re over the age of 18 and you still haven’t figured these basic facts out, that means you’re being taken advantage of left and right without even realizing it. Or maybe I am not being taken advantage of. Maybe I am paid fairly for the work I do, and I am happy with my pay. the only thing I am unhappy about is having to pay more than my fair share of taxes for people who don’t want to pay their fair share.