• JohnBrownsBussy2 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    11 months ago

    The annexations in Ukraine are illegal, but Russia annexing 5 oblasts and Ukraine being locked into a status as a neutral buffer state is not exactly a Hitlerian take-over of Europe.

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      11 months ago

      Its not ilegal in russia. Legality is not a real property of things its the opinion of the guy with the biggest army in the area. Thinking otherwise is brainworms

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        11 months ago

        No, annexation is illegal under the UN charter, of which Russia is a signatory, and wars of aggression are criminal in and of themselves. I’ll condemn the illegal annexations performed by Israel and other states, and Russia’s annexations fall under the same boat.

        To be even more clear, I do think that Russia would have won fair referendums in Donetsk, Luhansk and certainly Crimea. I doubt that would have been the case for the other two oblasts. Still, all of those annexations were illegal. Just because the neo-cons have flouted the UN charter in favor of the ad hoc “rules-based order” doesn’t mean others should.

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            11 months ago

            It’s always funny seeing people post that image without the context that Palestine declared war on Israel alongside all its neighbours and attempted to push the Israeli population into the sea.

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              And Ukraine kept shelling civilians in Donetsk despite signing Minsk 2.

              And that’s not even taking into account that Israel has continued to annex new land despite it not being a war.

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                  Ending the existence of an illegitimate country built on stolen land has nothing to do with genocide. You’re doing the fascist ethnostate thing where you act like a state and its people are the same thing. States come and go, people remain, the ending of a state has nothing to do with harming people.

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                    And I suppose they managed this even before Israel came into existence? They have always been like this. The original leaders of the Palestinian government in the Arab-Israeli war were largely fascist anti-communist agitators.

                    It might very generously be Israel’s fault that they’re still like this, but that does not change the reality of the situation.

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              11 months ago

              “The indigenous americans shouldn’t have fought back against the settlers if they didn’t want to get exterminated.”

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          If russian law considers they are part of russia and the russian army is siting there russian law applies there. Thats how it works. If another army is sitting there then legality is whatever those other guys say.

          Pretending otherwise is denying realty.

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      11 months ago

      not exactly a Hitlerian take-over of Europe.

      Only because they lack the ability. Civilian massacres like in Bucha are happening and have been happening throughout the war.

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      I don’t know a lot about the region, but I think this gives Russia access to some large oil deposits and excellent agricultural land. It will also give them more strength in the region. I think it’s worth extending the war to try and limit those gains. It’s a good situation for the US.