An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.
It’s possible to be racist towards anyone. If you’re white go spend a couple of months in China and you’ll understand that after being told by multiple people that intelligence varies by skin colour and white people are in the bottom half.
I wouldn’t be so sure, I’ve been in arguments with a whole lot of people that were arguing that racism against my nation is impossible because it’s mostly white…
They compared the relationship between a thought (racism) and what they believe is a disparate group (French people), to a thought (racism) and a disparate species (dogs).
The key comparison is about the relationship between racism and a group.
They could have said anything for the second example.
There is a conversation to be had about who decided the definition of racism though.
The wikipedia article you listed uses the definition of racism put forth by the UN. The UN is an organization dominated by white European countries and their colonies.
This definition comes into conflict with the definition used by many marginalized communities of colour though, which defines Racism as Prejudice + Power. The implication of this is that you can be prejudice to white people, but not racist. Prejudice is still not good, but white people have historically placed themselves in a position of socioeconomic domination over BIPOC communities, and thus making them unable to experience “Racism” in every context.
To be clear, I mentioned Context because you did, when you mentioned white people in China. This example betrays that the concept of racism is based on societal context
Racism being something that only affects BIPOC people is extremely narrow-minded and as a person from an historically white ethnicity that was under the control of another white nation, someone needs to be extremely hypocritical to not recognize racism just because of the victims skin colour when the same conditions would be considered racism if the victim was BIPOC…
Acadians (or French Canadians in general), the Irish, Bosnians… Heck, what about German Jews under Hitler? You couldn’t tell them from another white European in an anonymous crowd…
Power as in “Systemic power”. The Irish, Bosnians, German Jews in ww2; these people all had systems of oppression using their power to oppress them in their countries. It’s not as simple as “LawlSkinColour”.
In a majority of situations, the word racism does not apply if you are the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group in the world, which white people are. You have to take context into account though, because life does not exist as a binary. In North America, Jewish and Irish folks can experience Racism. In spite of being largely white presenting, they are ethnicities that have been historically discriminated against.
White people as a blanket “race” though, cannot. Saying “Bill pisses me off because he’s Jewish.” is racist. Saying “Bill pisses me off because he’s white.” is an entirely different conversation. Jewish folks are one of the most historically discriminated against groups in the world. White folks have been the most dominant socioeconomic racial group in the world perpetuating oppression. To treat those two groups as if they are the same can only be done if you ignore all historical contexts. That is a wildly intellectually dishonest way to define the world.
Black, brown, Asian, and indigenous folks can, have, and continue to experience racism. The socioeconomic racial group that we call “white people” cannot experience Racism. The individual ethnic groups within said racial group can experience Racism.
Fair enough, I still believe that it’s wrong to add power to the mix because it makes it extremely subjective if a message or an attitude are racist or not, whereas the definition I provided is clear, a blanket opinion of a group based on their skin colour or ethnicity is racism.
Saying “Bill pisses me off because he’s white.” is an entirely different conversation.
It’s super fucking not, friend. If you define racism as something that doesn’t apply to white people specifically, then you have a point, but “racism is when one is prejudiced against someone because of their race” is a much more usable definition than anything that involves socioeconomics, and I struggle to think of a better word to describe hating Bill for his race.
Prejudice + power describes institutional racism very well, but interpersonal racism doesn’t necessarily involve power dynamics.
You can.
And by the way, check how French are doing accent in their series. Spoiler: they don’t. It’s seen as racist. Yes, the way other people are cherry picking other accents is seen as racist. Roger Murtaugh has no accent for example.
Of course, it’s for fun you do it. Of course we still do funny things with accents. But in little groups where the context is clear (for fun or a group of racist shitbags). To quote a dead man (Desproges): “you can laugh about everything but not with everyone”. Thus not on a broadcasted channel.
Just remember that there are other cultures.
Hey, you see. I haven’t been offensive. It’s because I think that some times, it’s good to explain things in a detached way. Now, I can say that discussions about racism is just a joke in (current, let’s see if something better comes next) DnD. Not sure that accent is the problem: even when Darth Vador has a German accent to put a biiig clue of how the empire looks like the Nazis people are able to miss it.
I think you’re getting downvotes for a couple reasons, the least of which is not the fact that you seem to be hinting at the Empire being subtle with IRL fascist adjacency… The faction was literally designed from the start with Nazis at the top of the inspiration list, and this is pretty common knowledge.
Secondly, James Earl Jones does not have a German accent, and its “Vader”. I’d go on, but there’s just so much to unpack. 😶
You can’t be racist against the French. Same way you can’t be racist against dogs.
What?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
Racism is discrimination and prejudice against people based on their race or ethnicity.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity
An ethnicity or ethnic group is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Those attributes can include a common nation of origin, or common sets of ancestry, traditions, language, history, society, religion, or social treatment.
It’s possible to be racist towards anyone. If you’re white go spend a couple of months in China and you’ll understand that after being told by multiple people that intelligence varies by skin colour and white people are in the bottom half.
I’m 90% sure they were joking…
I wouldn’t be so sure, I’ve been in arguments with a whole lot of people that were arguing that racism against my nation is impossible because it’s mostly white…
They literally compared French people to dogs…
As one rightfully should
I mean, if the baguette fits…
They did not.
They compared the relationship between a thought (racism) and what they believe is a disparate group (French people), to a thought (racism) and a disparate species (dogs).
The key comparison is about the relationship between racism and a group.
They could have said anything for the second example.
There is a conversation to be had about who decided the definition of racism though.
The wikipedia article you listed uses the definition of racism put forth by the UN. The UN is an organization dominated by white European countries and their colonies.
This definition comes into conflict with the definition used by many marginalized communities of colour though, which defines Racism as Prejudice + Power. The implication of this is that you can be prejudice to white people, but not racist. Prejudice is still not good, but white people have historically placed themselves in a position of socioeconomic domination over BIPOC communities, and thus making them unable to experience “Racism” in every context.
To be clear, I mentioned Context because you did, when you mentioned white people in China. This example betrays that the concept of racism is based on societal context
Racism being something that only affects BIPOC people is extremely narrow-minded and as a person from an historically white ethnicity that was under the control of another white nation, someone needs to be extremely hypocritical to not recognize racism just because of the victims skin colour when the same conditions would be considered racism if the victim was BIPOC…
Acadians (or French Canadians in general), the Irish, Bosnians… Heck, what about German Jews under Hitler? You couldn’t tell them from another white European in an anonymous crowd…
Remember the definition I provided:
Prejudice + Power
Power as in “Systemic power”. The Irish, Bosnians, German Jews in ww2; these people all had systems of oppression using their power to oppress them in their countries. It’s not as simple as “LawlSkinColour”.
In a majority of situations, the word racism does not apply if you are the dominant socioeconomic ethnic group in the world, which white people are. You have to take context into account though, because life does not exist as a binary. In North America, Jewish and Irish folks can experience Racism. In spite of being largely white presenting, they are ethnicities that have been historically discriminated against.
White people as a blanket “race” though, cannot. Saying “Bill pisses me off because he’s Jewish.” is racist. Saying “Bill pisses me off because he’s white.” is an entirely different conversation. Jewish folks are one of the most historically discriminated against groups in the world. White folks have been the most dominant socioeconomic racial group in the world perpetuating oppression. To treat those two groups as if they are the same can only be done if you ignore all historical contexts. That is a wildly intellectually dishonest way to define the world.
Black, brown, Asian, and indigenous folks can, have, and continue to experience racism. The socioeconomic racial group that we call “white people” cannot experience Racism. The individual ethnic groups within said racial group can experience Racism.
Fair enough, I still believe that it’s wrong to add power to the mix because it makes it extremely subjective if a message or an attitude are racist or not, whereas the definition I provided is clear, a blanket opinion of a group based on their skin colour or ethnicity is racism.
It’s super fucking not, friend. If you define racism as something that doesn’t apply to white people specifically, then you have a point, but “racism is when one is prejudiced against someone because of their race” is a much more usable definition than anything that involves socioeconomics, and I struggle to think of a better word to describe hating Bill for his race.
Prejudice + power describes institutional racism very well, but interpersonal racism doesn’t necessarily involve power dynamics.
You can. And by the way, check how French are doing accent in their series. Spoiler: they don’t. It’s seen as racist. Yes, the way other people are cherry picking other accents is seen as racist. Roger Murtaugh has no accent for example.
Of course, it’s for fun you do it. Of course we still do funny things with accents. But in little groups where the context is clear (for fun or a group of racist shitbags). To quote a dead man (Desproges): “you can laugh about everything but not with everyone”. Thus not on a broadcasted channel.
Just remember that there are other cultures.
Hey, you see. I haven’t been offensive. It’s because I think that some times, it’s good to explain things in a detached way. Now, I can say that discussions about racism is just a joke in (current, let’s see if something better comes next) DnD. Not sure that accent is the problem: even when Darth Vador has a German accent to put a biiig clue of how the empire looks like the Nazis people are able to miss it.
I think you’re getting downvotes for a couple reasons, the least of which is not the fact that you seem to be hinting at the Empire being subtle with IRL fascist adjacency… The faction was literally designed from the start with Nazis at the top of the inspiration list, and this is pretty common knowledge.
Secondly, James Earl Jones does not have a German accent, and its “Vader”. I’d go on, but there’s just so much to unpack. 😶