Are you talking about Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, or Arab Israeli citizens with a Palestinian background? Because those are two very different legal categories. Arab Israelis have full legal rights. Palestinians don’t, because they’re not Israelis, which I’m pretty sure is something we all agree on. Israel doesn’t claim them, and you’d be screaming ethnic cleansing if it did.
Now what’s the exact issue you have? People who are not Israeli citizens and do not live in Israel cannot vote in Israeli elections. People who are citizens and who do live in Israel can vote. The housing discrimination that mentions is gross, I’ll admit, but that’s the main objectionable thing I see.
Do you want Israel to annex the West Bank or something?
I don’t want it, but even in the case of gaza and the west bank they are de facto under israeli control or even under permanent military occupation, with no expectation of diminishing but the opposite, isn’t this essentially an annexation but denying their rights?
gaza and the west bank they are de facto under israeli control or even under permanent military occupation,
Probably because they remain at war with Israel and have yet to stop attacking them or make a viable peace, choosing endless intifada and it’s predictable consequences instead.
Repeating those words like a mantra only serves to dilute them because you’re using them inappropriately.
Both Holocaust and apartheid generally refer to denying people rights or killing them because of their genetics and that’s clearly not what’s happening here. Israel is at war with Palestine because Palestine keeps trying to murder Israelis, not because of Palestinian genetics.
If you think anything happening is remotely comparable to the Holocaust, you don’t know anything about the Holocaust. If Israel was trying to exterminate Palestinians the way the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Gaza would be a sheet of right now.
I also don’t have the right to vote in Israel, which makes sense, seeing as I don’t live there and I’m not a citizen. I weirdly don’t have the right to vote in Germany or Russian either.
I know that one time a holocaust survivor spoke of the thirst she felt during that time and how it was indescribable, and I think of all the missing Palestinians that had their bones crushed to rubble as they waited for hours to be rescued, and all those that didn’t survive. I think of how Israel dehumanized them and ethnically cleansed them, how they held back fuel and medical supplies that could save innocent lives, and I can’t help but draw comparison. The message of holocaust survivors was clear: Never again. Never again doesn’t mean denying it when it happens again. Never again means Palestinians too.
And that comparison is flawed, because there is a fundamental difference between a systematic effort to murder a population and a careless disregard for collateral damage during military operations.
Both are shameful; only one is a genocide. If you broaden the meaning of genocide to refer to any war operation that fails to sufficiently protect civilians, you’ve suddenly labeled most of military history as genocidal.
The bombing of Dresden was horrific, but it was not comparable to the literal Holocaust happening at the same time.
Indeed you can’t, because if that Israel’s aim, they’ve been doing an incredibly bad job given that the number of Palestinians has increased by a million in the last ten years.
Whereas I don’t recall the Jewish population of Europe doubling during the second World War. But sure, these are basically the same thing.
You are being intellectually dishonest. We are not taking about a German with voting rights in Russia. We are talking about a population being colonized by Israel, being tortured by Israel, being denied their land, their basic human rights, and their right to self determination. Gaza is not France, Israel is not Russia. This is more like Americans wiping out the native population, or apartheid south Africa. Gazans had their citizenhood stolen from them by Israel. And on top of that they treat Palestinian Israelis like shit…
The only democracy in the middle east my fucking ass…
Are you talking about Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, or Arab Israeli citizens with a Palestinian background? Because those are two very different legal categories. Arab Israelis have full legal rights. Palestinians don’t, because they’re not Israelis, which I’m pretty sure is something we all agree on. Israel doesn’t claim them, and you’d be screaming ethnic cleansing if it did.
Not only. I hope it can be seen from lemmy.
Props to the graphic designer.
Now what’s the exact issue you have? People who are not Israeli citizens and do not live in Israel cannot vote in Israeli elections. People who are citizens and who do live in Israel can vote. The housing discrimination that mentions is gross, I’ll admit, but that’s the main objectionable thing I see.
Do you want Israel to annex the West Bank or something?
I don’t want it, but even in the case of gaza and the west bank they are de facto under israeli control or even under permanent military occupation, with no expectation of diminishing but the opposite, isn’t this essentially an annexation but denying their rights?
Probably because they remain at war with Israel and have yet to stop attacking them or make a viable peace, choosing endless intifada and it’s predictable consequences instead.
The exact issue is that Israel is repeating both the holocaust and apartheid all at the same time.
Since fucking when is it NOT an issue that people don’t have the same rights? Wtf
Repeating those words like a mantra only serves to dilute them because you’re using them inappropriately.
Both Holocaust and apartheid generally refer to denying people rights or killing them because of their genetics and that’s clearly not what’s happening here. Israel is at war with Palestine because Palestine keeps trying to murder Israelis, not because of Palestinian genetics.
Isrsel is indiscriminately bombing a whole ethnic group. How can you deny this?
If you think anything happening is remotely comparable to the Holocaust, you don’t know anything about the Holocaust. If Israel was trying to exterminate Palestinians the way the Nazis tried to exterminate the Jews, Gaza would be a sheet of right now.
I also don’t have the right to vote in Israel, which makes sense, seeing as I don’t live there and I’m not a citizen. I weirdly don’t have the right to vote in Germany or Russian either.
I know that one time a holocaust survivor spoke of the thirst she felt during that time and how it was indescribable, and I think of all the missing Palestinians that had their bones crushed to rubble as they waited for hours to be rescued, and all those that didn’t survive. I think of how Israel dehumanized them and ethnically cleansed them, how they held back fuel and medical supplies that could save innocent lives, and I can’t help but draw comparison. The message of holocaust survivors was clear: Never again. Never again doesn’t mean denying it when it happens again. Never again means Palestinians too.
And that comparison is flawed, because there is a fundamental difference between a systematic effort to murder a population and a careless disregard for collateral damage during military operations.
Both are shameful; only one is a genocide. If you broaden the meaning of genocide to refer to any war operation that fails to sufficiently protect civilians, you’ve suddenly labeled most of military history as genocidal.
The bombing of Dresden was horrific, but it was not comparable to the literal Holocaust happening at the same time.
Israel is systematically wiping out Palestinians. If you can’t see that, I can’t help you.
The UN and all other organizations qualified to comment on the mateer have called it genocide.
Indeed you can’t, because if that Israel’s aim, they’ve been doing an incredibly bad job given that the number of Palestinians has increased by a million in the last ten years.
Whereas I don’t recall the Jewish population of Europe doubling during the second World War. But sure, these are basically the same thing.
You are being intellectually dishonest. We are not taking about a German with voting rights in Russia. We are talking about a population being colonized by Israel, being tortured by Israel, being denied their land, their basic human rights, and their right to self determination. Gaza is not France, Israel is not Russia. This is more like Americans wiping out the native population, or apartheid south Africa. Gazans had their citizenhood stolen from them by Israel. And on top of that they treat Palestinian Israelis like shit…
The only democracy in the middle east my fucking ass…