The Palestinian Authority only has exclusive security control of roughly 18% of the West Bank – Area A. However the IDF basically enters it whenever they deem it necessary anyway, so exclusive is a misnomer.
The PA has joint security control with Israel in 22% known as Area B. The rest of the West Bank – 60% in Area C – is under direct Israeli control. Area C is where all the illegal Israeli settlements are. Palestinians are also pretty much never granted building permits, etc in Area C. And it’s worth noting that Areas A and B are non-contiguous as dotted islands of control inside of Area C.
Hamas initiated a war with a horrific military/terrorist attack on Israeli civilians on October 7. Sometimes when a belligerent starts a war, it ends up losing territory.
I’m not really sure what other outcome Hamas thought there would be when they launched their Oct. 7 attacks and then are continuing to hold hostages. Widespread killing and sexual violence launched from Gaza against Israel, killing ~1,400? Whether or not you agree with Israel’s actions since then, it should’ve been apparent to anybody that Israel was going to retaliate in a major way, they shoot kids who throw stones at them, like they weren’t going to respond with a massively disproportionate show of force. I guess they wanted to spark a greater war against Israel in the Middle East, that seems like the only other outcome that “makes sense”, but does the rest of the Middle East care that much about the Palestinians to get into another war with Israel? It sucks for the people caught in the middle just trying to live their lives.
Hamas didn’t have a plan beyond “shake the hornets nest and hope the other side puts us in a better position after the rubble is cleared.” They just wanted to cause a disturbance that would put them on the world stage again.
Gambling that Arab states actually give a shit about Palestinians beyond what domestic political advantage they can provide is a bet that hasn’t generally paid off.
I think they’re still not entirely over the whole “Jordanian king visits Al-Aqsa and gets assassinated by Palestinian terrorist” business from way back in 1951.
Hamas took hostages so Israel would come after them of course. They’d been unsuccessful provoking them with small attacks prior.
Sadly for the Palestinians, Hamas is actively trying to use them as war propaganda by forcing a war and as much suffering as possible. Why? To isolate Israel and soften it up for the larger attack.
By this logic, Israel had already annexed all of Palestine before the 2005 withdrawal.
Not to mention, Israel has managed security in the West Bank forever. If Ramallah has actually been annexed, it’s rather strange that you won’t find any Jews there, and that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to even visit this apparently annexed territory.
Perhaps the situation is slightly more complex than that.
Israel bans Israelis from visiting Ramallah because they don’t want Israelis interacting with Palestinians, and especially shopping in Palestinian businesses.
If I were Israel, I would also retain security controls there for some time. Though, I am quite afraid how “security controls by Netanyahu” will look like.
There it is, Israel is annexing Gaza. No more Palestinian state.
The Palestinian state is in the West Bank (about 16x the land area of Gaza).
It would be more accurate to say that the Palestinian state lost control of Gaza to Hamas, and Hamas is losing Gaza to Israel.
Because the west bank isn’t under IDF occupation yet? Every day settlers are carving out chunks of it, and there’s checkpoints everywhere.
The Palestinian Authority only has exclusive security control of roughly 18% of the West Bank – Area A. However the IDF basically enters it whenever they deem it necessary anyway, so exclusive is a misnomer.
The PA has joint security control with Israel in 22% known as Area B. The rest of the West Bank – 60% in Area C – is under direct Israeli control. Area C is where all the illegal Israeli settlements are. Palestinians are also pretty much never granted building permits, etc in Area C. And it’s worth noting that Areas A and B are non-contiguous as dotted islands of control inside of Area C.
It would be more accurate to say Israel is stealing it
Hamas initiated a war with a horrific military/terrorist attack on Israeli civilians on October 7. Sometimes when a belligerent starts a war, it ends up losing territory.
Israel started a war with Palestinians with their occupation in 1967 (if we forget the whole Nakba thing).
Look man, bad shit happens in war. Just don’t pretend to be the fucking good guy when your militant to civilian kill ratio is 1:3.
According to Wikipedia the ratio for the October 7 attack was around that figure, yes:
Plus the rapes, tortures, and abductions.
Yes we know, and that’s why we are all so curious to find out why you only give a shit about Israeli civilians. You cunt.
I think we all know the answer to that question.
They think there are no civilians in Gaza, only Hamas and other animals that need to be exterminated.
I mean, an israeli spokesman on cable news wouldn’t even admit that Israel had killed babies in the mass bombings.
So, if only hamas has been killed, and by the Israeli govts own talking points no other humans, then the ratio is like 15000 Militants : 0 Civilians.
Probably the best war ever guys!
And now it’s the reverse on a 10:1 ratio.
The West Bank is a Bantustan. Plain and simple.
Not wrong, but same outcome.
I’m not really sure what other outcome Hamas thought there would be when they launched their Oct. 7 attacks and then are continuing to hold hostages. Widespread killing and sexual violence launched from Gaza against Israel, killing ~1,400? Whether or not you agree with Israel’s actions since then, it should’ve been apparent to anybody that Israel was going to retaliate in a major way, they shoot kids who throw stones at them, like they weren’t going to respond with a massively disproportionate show of force. I guess they wanted to spark a greater war against Israel in the Middle East, that seems like the only other outcome that “makes sense”, but does the rest of the Middle East care that much about the Palestinians to get into another war with Israel? It sucks for the people caught in the middle just trying to live their lives.
Hamas didn’t have a plan beyond “shake the hornets nest and hope the other side puts us in a better position after the rubble is cleared.” They just wanted to cause a disturbance that would put them on the world stage again.
Gambling that Arab states actually give a shit about Palestinians beyond what domestic political advantage they can provide is a bet that hasn’t generally paid off.
I think they’re still not entirely over the whole “Jordanian king visits Al-Aqsa and gets assassinated by Palestinian terrorist” business from way back in 1951.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_I_of_Jordan#Assassination
Hamas took hostages so Israel would come after them of course. They’d been unsuccessful provoking them with small attacks prior.
Sadly for the Palestinians, Hamas is actively trying to use them as war propaganda by forcing a war and as much suffering as possible. Why? To isolate Israel and soften it up for the larger attack.
Hamas took hostages because hostages are one of the few ways they can secure concessions from Israel. This is the status quo Israel created in 2006.
By this logic, Israel had already annexed all of Palestine before the 2005 withdrawal.
Not to mention, Israel has managed security in the West Bank forever. If Ramallah has actually been annexed, it’s rather strange that you won’t find any Jews there, and that it’s actually illegal for Israelis to even visit this apparently annexed territory.
Perhaps the situation is slightly more complex than that.
Security for Israelis, not for Palestinians.
Israel bans Israelis from visiting Ramallah because they don’t want Israelis interacting with Palestinians, and especially shopping in Palestinian businesses.
If I were Israel, I would also retain security controls there for some time. Though, I am quite afraid how “security controls by Netanyahu” will look like.
Not really, nobody in Israel talks about dismantling Palestinian Authority
This is a book that has been written many times. It starts with a military occupation and ends in a Israeli state.