Can Reddit survive as its volunteer workforce close down subreddits and walk away from the site in protest at the management's new policies?

Huffman has said, “We are not in the business of giving that [Reddit’s content] away for free.” That stance makes sense. But it also ignores the reality that all of Reddit’s content has been given to it for free by its millions of users. Further, it leaves aside the fact that the content has been orchestrated by its thousands of volunteer moderators.

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  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    32·
    1 year ago

    The [stuff in brackets] is editorial. That’s when they add on their own reference to something said elsewhere.

    In this case, huffpig didn’t actually say content. He said data.

    It’s actually worse, because it dehumanizes everyone on reddit, via that the data is our only value to him.

    So, fuck huffpig

    • mglap@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      1 year ago

      I think the word “data” also supports the theory that this is actually about training data for LLMs rather than ad revenue. If it was actually about 3rd party apps, then why not just require all apps to feed the ads? But according to the Apollo developer, there wasn’t even a way to fetch the ads through the API.

      I think spez saw what OpenAI/Microsoft were accomplishing using parsed data and got dollar signs in his eyes. The irony is that OpenAI probably already ripped every comment off Reddit up until now, and don’t really need more going forward.

      • jmp242@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        I mean it’s also true that they could just have read the web pages, but the API actually cost reddit less than rendering the full web page for all the data.

        • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
          3·
          1 year ago

          That’s just the thing, it has nothing to do with API or server cost. It’s all about presenting ads and collecting user data.

          • jmp242@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            Yea, it’s clearly not about just money, because they could have fed ads via the API, or made it part of reddit premium for the user to keep using the API ad free. I can’t say how many people would have rage quite anyway, but the way they’re doing it doesn’t give anyone who likes other apps any reason to pay reddit money, that’s for sure. And does inspire people to leave.

            I hesitate to say I have all these ideas that would have worked better because I haven’t seen their research on their existing premium paid product or expected conversion rates for API access (at per user monthly subs), so maybe the research says they’ve got ALL the paying members they’ll ever get and they need to force ever more ads instead for money - but given they’ve had years and years to think about this and have tried almost nothing makes me think they’re either very unimaginative or just are bad at innovation or even just trying stuff other people already have except for tunnel vision on ads.

      • icesentry@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        If it was actually about AI they would have solved the issue quickly by offering different prices for 3rd party apps. The fact that they aren’t doing that clearly shows that they want to kill apps.