Israel should stop its "collective punishment" of Gaza's civilians with actions beyond self-defence, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said, warning it would worsen regional tensions and lead to humanitarian disaster. In a call with Saudi Arabian counterpart, Wang also condemned the continued Israeli retaliation to a shock attack a week ago by Palestinian militant group Hamas, which controls the Gaza Strip. "Israel's actions have gone beyond self-defence," Wang told Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al Sa
  • merc@sh.itjust.works
    23·
    9 months ago

    Israel hasn’t even started their offensive, and already the number of Palestinian civilians killed has gone far beyond the number of Israelis killed in the Hamas raid.

    • zerfuffle@lemmy.ml
      1517·
      9 months ago

      Has there been any evidence whatsoever that China has killed anyone en masse?

      In fact, has there been any evidence whatsoever that China’s “rounding them up” has affected more than, say, 10% of the population? Friendly reminder that 28.5% of Black Americans will end up going to prison at some point.

      It’s a discriminatory statistic, absolutely, but at the end of the day not everyone is being imprisoned. We only hear about the experiences of those that are because they’re the same people willing to leave China or give comment to Western media.

      • Joncash2@lemmy.ml
        1010·
        9 months ago

        It’s weird, people say they won’t trust the American government because their evil. Yet they’ll trust anything the US says about China even if it runs contrary to what actual Muslims who visited the region say and even the UN. They totally distrust the US, unless it’s about China. Then it’s 100% true.

          • Joncash2@lemmy.ml
            63·
            9 months ago

            Then why even post? Also, I don’t care how people look at me. That said, the comments are all me arguing in one thread. At this point it’s over taken my account because of how many people responded.

        • can@sh.itjust.works
          42·
          9 months ago

          The UN?

          The OHCHR Assessment of human rights concerns in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, People’s Republic of China is a report published on 31 August 2022 by the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) concerning the treatment of Uyghurs and other largely Muslim groups in China. The report concluded that “[t]he extent of arbitrary and discriminatory detention of members of Uyghur and other predominantly Muslim groups, pursuant to law and policy, in context of restrictions and deprivation more generally of fundamental rights enjoyed individually and collectively, may constitute international crimes, in particular crimes against humanity.”[1][

          • Joncash2@lemmy.ml
            31·
            9 months ago

            Exactly, which is similar to what the UN says about the US detaining African Americans.

            https://www.ohchr.org/en/statements/2016/01/statement-media-united-nations-working-group-experts-people-african-descent

            https://legal.un.org/ilc/sessions/71/pdfs/english/cah_wg_epad.pdf

            NOT that China is genociding the Uyghurs.

            Now, I’m expecting one of two responses,

            1. WHATABOUTISM RAWR RAWR that we should ignore US crimes because China bad.

            2. Dismissals that China totally arrests more even though we have no data on that.

            That said, I do apologize for not making that clear in my original statement. I wasn’t trying to say that the UN found no problems at all, only that the problems it found isn’t special or unique, but most importantly that it does not constitute genocide that the US is insisting is happening.

            • can@sh.itjust.works
              21·
              9 months ago

              Why do people always assume I can’t be appalled by China and the states simultaneously? It’s not one or the other.

              Maybe because people assume I’m American (my username is partially because of Canada) . But even so, I freely admit my country of Canada was actively built upon genocide. And given the amount of missing and murdered indigenous women it’s still going on at least passively.

              I guess it also depends on what you consider a “genocide”. I don’t see how what China’s doing is any different from what Canada’s done.

              • Joncash2@lemmy.ml
                22·
                9 months ago

                Well for one there’s no evidence of murder. That’s actually my whole point. For all the complaining, the people who actually visited, the UN and Muslim nations have not seen any evidence of killing.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      274·
      9 months ago

      Collective punishment is when job and language training programs and employment placement. The more language and job skills a Muslim learns, the more collectively punished they are.

        • zephyreks@lemmy.mlM
          31·
          9 months ago

          A component of CPC ideology is the idea that economic circumstance is the root of almost all problems and that, by extension, radicalization is a byproduct of being left behind by the economic system.

          People might be forced into job and language training, but they do come out of it with job and language training (and with radical tendencies mostly eliminated). It’s a collectively beneficial policy in the long run, but does step on Western notions of human rights quite aggressively (compulsory and forced education is a no-no).

          For what it’s worth, China has been trying to differentiate being “Chinese” from being “Han” to varying levels of success. This is in alignment with communist ideology. In fact, much of CPC ideology is drawn from Marxism: China is moving towards communism. In that view, China’s behaviour becomes much more predictable, much easier to understand, and also much more reasonable. Communist ideology forms the core tenets of Chinese governance, just like the rights of life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the principles of liberty, equality, and justice are core tenets of Western democracy.

            • zephyreks@lemmy.mlM
              31·
              9 months ago

              Today, Xinjiang is solidly middle of the lack today in both GDP/capita and median income. Meanwhile, minority groups in Xinjiang have progressively narrowed the income gap over the years while in other provinces, Manchu and Hui people have almost eliminated the gap entirely. You’re free to read the studies, but a good chunk of them are in Chinese. What is known is that, as a result, terrorist attacks have basically been eradicated. Looking at the data, whatever China has done is clearly working. It’s simple, really: income go up, radicalization go down. China brought income up, and radicalization go down.