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The post is about trains though

I agree. There just won’t be trains running for a very long time if ever again, is all. Maybe a couple centuries minimum while humanity recovers from whatever toppled it.

I don’t care about sharp words from a brutish authoritarian.

But you do care about writing a half-page’s worth of the most obscene, arrogant, self-satisfied, apologist garbage you can muster because ultimately, this is about the lack of respect you have for other people, especially abuse victims who you step all over to get what you want. Like here:

If you care about victims of abuse, as I do, then you’ll turn instead to approaches which result in fewer of them to be counted: alternatives to incarceration, and the pursuit of relative normalcy within the institution for the incarcerated where it still exists.

Who, in the world, would reasonably listen to someone like you? Someone who thinks like that? You know there are actual CSA survivors in this thread, right? Possibly even rape survivors? And you’re here talking that kind of shit thinking you know them better than the rest of humanity and have the right to speak for them?

Did you know I am an abuse survivor? That most of my friends are? Did you ever even think to emphasize with me, or ask me who I am or why I feel the way I do?

No. You absolutely did not. It didn’t even cross your mind to, because you’re a disgusting abuse apologist who doesn’t give a shit about anyone other than yourself. You likely only support getting rid of punishment specifically because you know it will hurt everyone else.

You’re sick.

Counterpoint: Society will collapse to the point where cities, let alone trains and microtransport, will no longer be available or viable.

Well, good news: prison absolutely is for punishing people, not rehabilitation. And it never should be. Prison should never go away, specifically to spite disgusting monsters like you who want to do away with justice, ensuring that no one who does evil things will ever see meaningful life-rendering consequences for their actions.

You’re the kind of person who ruins the lives of abuse victims. Who tells rape victims that they need to put aside their emotions for your idea of a greater good while nothing is ever expected of their rapists or of you. People like you destroy millions of lives peddling this shit – there’s even a CSA survivor in the comments calling out another one of your ilk.

I’m a prison abolitionist first and foremost, and I thought that’d be clear from the overall thrust of my original post - but apparently not. Respect for the incarcerated, their humanity, and their ethical commitments is very much the compromise position.

No, what you are is an apologist. The idea of doing away with punishment, even prison, is nothing more than cheap apologia, anti-survivor, anti-justice, completely immoral and anti-human. Though given veganism is being used as the main driver for you to peddle your evil political agenda in this thread, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if you truly did not give a fuck about any of that.

I nor anyone else with decency, goodness and common sense are going to give you or your evil ideas any quarter nor should they. The very idea of doing away with punishment or even prison given the horrific reasoning you hold for it is morally repugnant and can be dismissed on its face.

You are disgusting. Get away from me. I hope you never get what you want.

You. Unless you think we haven’t noticed you’re hiding behind a debate about the importance of punishment, the viability and legitimacy of the prison system and abuses of the U.S. prison system in a situation that has nothing to do with them because you’re trying to promote veganism.

Do you think we are stupid?

Semantics.

And the whole debate is asinine anyway because

1. he already has PBJs and PBJs are given specifically as a vegan option.

2. he doesn’t have the right to be vegan when he’s locked up

3. you don’t have the right to exploit crime threads to push your shitty political agenda.

This thread is not about you, not about vegans, and you coming in here brigading and unethically deciding the fact that a dude who stole billions is claiming to be vegan (whether that claim is true or false) is more important than justice and literally everyone else is unacceptable, get the fuck out of the thread

They don’t have to be. That’s not the point of it: the point is to punish them or permanently keep them locked away. If we wanted to guarantee they’ll never hurt anyone ever again, we’d execute them and still do in some states.

Glad to know veganism is more important than justice.

He doesn’t have the right to be a vegan in prison. He’s in PRISON. Being justly punished. When you’re in prison, you don’t get to live the way you want barring basic human rights, and being vegan isn’t a human right, it’s a lifestyle choice.

Get over that fact and take your cultists out of the thread

He’s not unempathetic for having a different opinion than you.

You are giving a kneejerk reaction.

You are saying awful things.

People will read your post and think “Mental illness makes people murder babies, guess I better not trust them, they’re dangerous”.

Imagine everyone else thinking mentally ill people are raving psychopaths champing at the bit to murder their families.

It’s one thing to oppose the death penalty. But trying to imply a baby murderer isn’t responsible for her actions because she is mentally ill – which you don’t actually even know she is anyway – is a special kind of fucked up.

You’re literally doing everything you accuse him of doing and more.