SocialistDovahkiin [she/her]

Then why did they immediately settle lol

If it was just confirmation bias, it would take basically no effort to dismiss the issue in court

Which is false if you’ve ever had a serious trigger, it’s specifics that get you

Apparently the study counted people dropping out of the study as choosing not to view the content, and used the what would obviously be low amount of dropouts as “proof” that it doesn’t prevent people from viewing it

“trigger warnings don’t work” is a blatantly impossible statement, their purpose is to prevent people from being exposed to further content that triggers trauma or other mental health issues, the only way they wouldn’t work is if people were copy pasting the entire contents of what they’re doing a warning about into the warning itself

oh thank goodness he might lack caution but we need men willing to eat out in this world

not just fucking, deciding to eat her out?? like bro ofc you died

yeah this gives misogynistic vibes

Ah ok. Sorry I kind of interpret negative adjectives as moral judgements very easily.

I understand what you’re saying here but

It became a chicken-and-egg problem where I rotted to escape the pain of rotting.

I mean? I guess I do the same thing? But I really really do not view it that way. It’s more like distracting myself with things I know are safe and happiness inducing. I try to avoid advertisements and social media, I just focus on interacting with actual friends and doing normal fun activities.

I really, really don’t want to watch the second half of a video explain to me how I need to change my lifestyle and self-flagellate. I’ve come to realize there are external reasons I have the habits I do and no matter how much I’m worried I’m hurting myself by being a computer nerd or being a furry I’ll always fall back on these things as long as they actually serve me, as long as I have genuine reasons for it.

Pathologizing that seems extremely harmful. Viewing, say, the usage of this site, as rotting myself or being a failing of character that I haven’t stopped, can’t be healthy in and of itself. To constantly do things and then hate oneself for it, repeatedly unable to change anything because of an individualistic perspective of choice and behavior, feels immensely unpleasant and the fact so many people think that way scares me. I think the chance of such self deprecation being unhealthy is way worse than the chance that enjoying playing video games is actually part of a capitalist plot to destroy my sense of self to stop me from revolting.

I understand where you’re coming from but stuff like the “45 second silence” absolutely infuriates me. I refuse to subject myself to listening to someone with that level of condescension and infantilization of their own viewers. It’s unbelievable. I’ll continue building in Minecraft and they can fuck off with their weird gotcha attempt. I don’t enjoy being bored. Who does? I’m not going to purposely torture myself just so I feel more morally pure about my hobbies.

And also, I think the whole not having a sense of self in the way people usually describe it is just a common autistic thing. There’s a reason “kins” are so popular among autistic people as well as an inability to describe one’s own feelings in words. Our experience with identity is simply vastly different from a neurotypical person’s, it has been before computers were as frequently used, too.

I am disagreeing with the video, not you. I agree advertising is dehumanizing and such. My concern is just… I didn’t watch the video, because I really don’t want to subject myself to another thing basically telling me I’m a moral failure, but I do not like the Vibe of victim blaming takes like that have. I was referring to the video and not you with my previous reply, I have no beef with anything you said

Edit: for all I know the video could include none of that, I probably should have just ignored this post instead of commenting and stuff

As someone with ADHD and diminished executive function, I feel especially susceptible to this

This is why I feel like takes like this video are often kind of… crypto-ableist. Because a lot of the implication is that our adhd symptoms would just disappear if capitalism wasn’t around. Think about how stuff like watching a video essay while doing the dishes or not sitting around for the 45 seconds is mocked and ridiculed in that video.

What is the actual harm of those of us who are neurodivergent and benefit from keeping ourselves busy? I understand the emotions in the concerns over being unable to do collective action, but this seems misplaced. I’ve never felt out “base impulses” as much of a barrier to revolution. Yes, they can be problematic if misguided, and capitalists often attempt to do this quite often, but it is those same impulses that lead to revolution in the first place.

And people don’t give up those impulses en masse. What purpose does commenting on all of this serve? The “opiates” of checks notes, uh, fun things, are not like religion. You can’t really get people to revolt against and defect from a behavior that actually makes them feel more satisfied because of direct biophysical reasons, like you can with people who are committed to religion out of fear and social obligation.

It infuriates me when I see people debase and insult these “base impulses”, “primitive drives” (what a problematic phrase). There is nothing about being human that isn’t those drives. There is internal selfhood, but it is a composite, a powerful personal meshing of all of our intense desires and drives into a cognisant reality.

And some might recoil at this idea. Does this mean caring about others is impossible? Teamwork? Honesty? No.

Social interaction and morality is a ‘base drive’ for many, if not most, people, just like sex or comfort or shelter or food. We pretend it isn’t because those drives are crushed and starved because they are actively harmful for maintaining oppression.

We will never get people to give up any attempt to densitize themselves by indulging these desires. It is simply not something that can be done on a collective level. Attempting to go against these desires on a social level is extremely hard if not outright impossible.

So where does that leave us? It leaves us with a conclusion that only really effects one group of people: Those who are, for many reasons, drawn to specific forms of self-soothing using ‘consumeristic’ methods. And many of these are exploited, yes! Social media is a generally coercive mentally harmful shitfest. The same is true of a lot of marketing schemes and strategies. But that doesn’t mean that like, people who like microblogging are committing a moral failing.

It means they deserve platforms and ways of indulging those desires without being manipulated. It means we should be doing harm reduction by informing and creating healthier and safer forms of what are currently harmful forms of recreation.

So the only actual person this sort of moral panic about widespread addict culture helps… is people who don’t want visibly disabled or neurodivergent people around them. They want us to hide our suffering and our issues, to not make them things they have to observe. People will anaesthize regardless, they just want the anaesthization neurodivergent people indulge in to be invisible and “normal”.

There is no failing or issue with watching a video essay while doing the dishes. But there is something evil about someone who wants to exploit the person watching video essays. And there is something evil about trying to morally judge behavior you deem strange and concerning because you personally can’t relate to it (not you, person I’m replying to. “You” as in essay video maker)

Ableism and the scapegoating of social media CEO’s, disguised as a leftist social critique. I don’t know if that’s literally true but it’s how it feels to me whenever I see this stuff, like with “dopamine fasting” “biohackers” or whatever.

Should I link it to c/disabled and c/neurodivergent to see people’s opinions?

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It reminds me of cripplepunk and more radical perspectives of addiction- There’s this knee jerk desire to view it as a moral failing when it seems far more radical to me to see being “functional” (aka not needing any of these things, just rawdogging reality etc, being mentally stable or well kempt or productive or whatever) as an arbitrary ableist signifier. Aka the core philosophy of cripplepunk (not caring about being “functional” or a “good disabled”). But I might be overapplying that philosophy here and preventing my own growth. I genuinely don’t know. It’s so hard to tell the difference between ableism, social criticism, and genuine advice sometimes, because unfortunately even social philosophers are not immune to brainworms and also unfortunately I am not either and this could just be addiction defending

I might be being too harsh, idk. I just hear this stuff all the time and when you have like 4 mental disorders it feels like a slap in the face. Like, they’re right, it’s not good that I need all these distractions to function. It’s sad that there’s this burden of a “box” we all feel we need to keep ourselves tied to to be free, whether it’s meds or tv shows or weed or whatever. But it feels so… dehumanizing. Disheartening and sinister. As someone with impulsive and chronic anxious thoughts, it’s shocking how well stuff like this replicates those thoughts. It feels like- All of it gives this same distinct impression of psychic self-harm, a coercive and compulsive attempt to get you to keep engaging with fears that never go away even when you challenge them, because that’s how compulsive thoughts work, they get stronger the more you try to “disprove” them.

People love to give meditation as an answer to this stuff, and it works, but the way they suggest it implies it makes you able to stay there and think. But it doesn’t. Meditation is great because it’s not thinking, it’s allowing yourself to rest your mind, to not engage your anxieties. So when people suggest such a thing as a replacement for, uh, other ways to not think… it comes across very strongly as someone who does not really understand meditation, but that has twisted themselves into this moral knot/trap because they can tell something is wrong but they can’t bring themselves to be angry at capital and those in power for holding the things they love and cope with hostage, and have to blame The Thing Itself. Or themselves. It very much comes across as people exchanging one form of “mental fire extinguisher” for another that feels less morally loaded to them. Because video games, drugs, even prescription medication, have all of these (sometimes arbitrary and constructed) moral stigmas associated with them. So they force themselves to do a more “wholesome” activity instead of trying to ask themselves why they need to use a mental fire extinguisher. And I feel like if people did that more, asked why they needed it, they would judge themselves far less for using it lmao

I hope someone else who’s disabled or has multiple mental issues chimes in here. I wouldn’t delete it until then. My personal experiences, where arguments and stuff like this is mostly the content of mental self-harm and not actual solutions, is either something I’m completely misperceiving (as in I’m deep in denial), or others don’t experience because it’s just a very unique form of compulsive thoughts.

So don’t delete it until you get responses. Maybe cross post with c/neurodivergent or c/disabled to see their thoughts. Also don’t beat yourself up, the youtuber’s other videos look very based and again I have a really weird perspective on this so I don’t think you’re problematic for liking the video or finding it helpful.

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imagine if the internet just didn’t work on the ship, and everyone came back in four years to see the country entirely different

achieving similar statistical accuracy when training off of large datasets which probably have the answers to a lot of the parts of these benchmarks doesn’t seem too impressive