Maybe I deserved that. But come to my house we will play some groovy bongo rhythms and I’m sure you will have a good time.

Great question. It turns out protesting doesn’t seem to have that much effect, unless a lot more people participate.

I mostly posted my rant just to be contrary, but I still feel like there is something erroneous to this argument, even tho you do make it seem clear and sensible.

I offer Japan as an example: the whole country is very neat, tidy and orderly. People know that if you see garbage, or something out of place, you put it where it belongs. People take the personal responsibility to clean up after themselves very seriously, and willingly clean up after eachother. As it was explained to me, 'If you’re the first person to see it, then you are the person to take care of it."

So you would expect this baseline indication of ethical behavior to translate into other domains. Surprisingly, people who as a group score very well on this test of self-regulation and ethical behavior seem to have a systemic problem with violence, sexual abuse and sexual harassment against women. https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2017/3/8/sexual-assault-in-japan-every-girl-was-a-victim

It could be that individuals not putting things away is a sign of a deeper societal issue, but group/individual fastidiousness doesn’t seem to generalize to broader ethical adherence.

Maybe there is a mistake somewhere in my thinking.

Nope, I don’t buy it.

• An estimated one out of every 500 Americans is homeless
• Unarmed noncombatant civilian women and children are being bombed, shot, and starved to death.
• There has been a nearly 70% reduction in wild vertebrates worldwide since 1970
• The leading cause of death among children and teens in america is firearms

Privileged westerners could do something about these things, but they are sipping their pumpkin spice lattes and congratulating each other for putting their shopping carts back because, you know, it’s the ultimate test of moral righteousness. Ugh.

I’m getting really damn tired of having a choice between the conservative party cosplaying as liberals and the fascist party cosplaying as conservatives.

damn straight.

You’re right, and I think there might be additional health benefits from adding it in, too!

I confess my comment wasn’t my real opinion, but I’m sure that’s what my grandmother would have said. She was always very concerned with appearances.

My actual answer: I have spent time in Dixie and drank a fair bit of chicory coffee. At that time I also smoked like a chimney so I wonder now how much I was able to smell and taste much of anything back then. I liked it fine but it was never my favorite go-to.

Since I quit smoking and live a generally more healthy life I find I have become a bit of a purist. I like my coffee to be coffee, as there is so much variety just within coffee that adding in other things seems to complicate the issue beyond what I’m willing to deal with.

But again, no shade at anyone who likes it.

Naw, that’s fo’ po’ folks!

I think intelligence/personality are about even for me. I think I would not have rejected my wife if she were average intelligence, but the fact that she has a science background, and the quick way she thinks are part of the package that I fell for. So I will say very important, but not the most important.

Thank you for your service.

Edit: I was going to try to add to the comedy but I feel like it’s not actually funny. I get the irony, but I started thinking how I’d feel if I had a family member or friend that died in such a dumb way.

Well he’s in the arms of Jesus now. If there’s any lesson here it’s use a damn holster, people, and take your safety training seriously.

You guys are making jokes but we can all be grateful he died free with his 2nd amendment rights intact. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Ok, but there like it used to be was better than there is now, and if here could be like there used to be now it would be better than there is now and its my opinion that if here now was like there then it would be slightly better than here is now and I don’t think thats too much to wish for.

Well it seems there’s a plan to take the white house no matter what the election results may be:

https://hartmannreport.com/p/the-new-over-the-top-secret-plan-518?sort=new

It kind of worries me that this could actually happen and people would be like, “Aw shucks, I guess there’s nothing we can do.”

I’m voting Harris, for all the reasons outlined in this thread, but damn it chaps my hide that this is like the trolley problem where the trolly will go down the 100% evil track unless you pull the lever to go down the %25 less evil track. Everybody in here seems to think we shouldn’t want a better track, it’s just not practical or possible to do anything better.

Is nobody else here frustrated that the only alternative we have to the orange fascist is a prosecutor that put countless brothers and sister into the racist for-profit prison system for having weed? This is the alternative that progressives are excited about?

I read a line somewhere -I forget where- but it was something to the effect that always voting for the lesser of two evils means getting the second worst possible america. Are y’all so pragmatic that wanting anything other than the second worst america is automatically interpreted as a bot, or a Russian troll, or a stupid college kid in a Che t-shirt that only wants to endlessly critique?

Is anyone on the fence going to be swayed by a debate anyway? I think the people who are really not sure about which way to vote at this point likely can’t be reasoned out of wasting their vote on some third party.

To anyone reading this that is considering voting 3rd party, my advice is to vote dem and then put as much political pressure on the democrats as possible the other 364 days of the year. The alternative, while maybe morally pure, is a lot less workable and doesn’t benefit others.

Trying to imagine what my grandpa would say. I mean, aside from the rich stream of profanity and calling for his rifle to “ventilate” those nazi bastards.

ITT: People who have not read the original works.

Love this game.

Straight from the abusers handbook: DARVO: Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

I wish I had said this (or something more direct like this) instead of what I did say. I see that I get easily caught up in taking the other side rather than going straight to the more fundamental issues.