In 10 years there will be European countries all over the world.
I’m all for closer ties with the EU but it doesn’t make sense to join the union due to simple geography.
Greenland.
Eurovision Song Contest laughs at your petti geography.
Vatican City: could participate but does not.
If they can get some kind of special status like the UK had it would make sense, simply because there’s no tariffs inside EU borders and free travel and probably some other stuff.
Being a member of the European Economic Area is a more realistic goal and would probably solve Canada’s problems derived from being far too Economically entwinned with their next door neighbour.
Mind you, any form of being part of the EU Single Market (which EEA members are without being EU members) requires a ton of uniformization of things like Product regulations (which amongst other things means Canada would not be allowed to import many if not most US food products such as for example beef of cattle which has been fed hormones) and acceptance of Freedom Of Movement for both people and goods.
(Following Brexit, Britain did not move to become an EEA member exactly because of both the Freedom of Movement requirement and the difficulty in getting other EEA member approval since the UK are a disproportionatelly large economy compared to all EEA members but Canada’s reasons are different - not anti-immigration and xenophobia like the UK - so things like Freedom Of Movement would probably not be an issue and its Economy is just a bit over half the size of the UK’s)
I think EU membership is a huge stretch, but we could certainly move in the direction of harmonizing with EU trade regulations. A good medium-term goal might be to join the Schengen trade zone, and then move on from there.
I’m not a fan of actions taken in haste but diversifying trading opportunities and providing mutual security really could be beneficial.
Surprised I had to scroll all the way down here to find it. Was everyone else having a discussion only based on the headline?
Thankyou
Capitalists are gonna have a meltdown when we’ll have to implement the 4 weeks minimum paid vacation, banked overtime with a yearly limit, bretter minimum wage, tougher regulations on food and environment protection. Etc.
…what?
What do you mean what?
I’ll probably get called entitled, but even 3 weeks isn’t enough, and I know that’s more than many people get.
You’re not entitled, your advocating for yourself and others. Work should not be our whole lives.
You’re being reasonable.
It’s ridiculous. And 2 days of paid sick days per year? Like wtf
Yet i can get behind this framework as something good for the population. It’s like a NDP program but more realistic and with economic growth with our peers as a target.
This year (most years) i will vote Liberal but i did vote NDP on and off in the past and my circumscription changes from red to orange often in the last two decades.
I’m still voting NDP. We can still get a minority liberal government with a strong NDP coalition.
No. Unless they change a party ked by Singh is not getting my vote. I’m not even sure about the liberals yet we’ll have to see what he does so far not looking good. And cons are a no.
Yeah… Just learned this week Carney has ties to Ghislaine Maxwell (or his wife rather). Jeffrey Epstein’s right hand.
Isn’t it funny how all these rich elites all have ties to that motherfucker? I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist, but man it’s getting difficult.
This is the first I’ve heard of it. Can you share your source, please? I want to see it myself whether it’s reputable before I form an opinion.
I’ve always been an NDP voter but my anxiety about Cons winning might push a liberal vote from me this time. I don’t love it, but I am also just terrified.
It’s a shame really. I’m not a fan of PP by any means. But he’s right when he says it’s going to be more of the same, i fear.
That is my fear. I don’t want more of the same. I want less immigration but neither party is running on that.
I think the Liberals learned their lesson on immigration, hence the aggressive cuts recently
Ya, I bet those aren’t the people in favour.
Fucking worth the extra taxes. The EU isn’t perfect, but they’re still sane enough to back.
Taxes actually save you money.
Fun fact, Canadians can legislate these things on our own, without having to also adopt a whole bunch of European dysfunction.
Not with the U.S. right next to us we can’t. Every time we push to have better conditions, companies start throwing a tantrum and threatening to move to the U.S. Then that throws the politicians into panic and they never implement anything. I don’t know if this tarif war or conflct with the U.S. is gonna change that.
This makes the current moment perfect, because the US is not becoming more attractive to companies, in fact it’s discouraging new companies, only the absurdly big ones who are already established there have some chances of profiting from this chaos
Actually, it’s a prerequisite for getting into the European dysfunction.
Why does everyone think it’s a binary choice somehow?
I would support stronger ties to Canada, but Canada is not exactly in Europe
Canada does share a land boarder with Denmark.
Two! Both sea and land borders with France. Don’t forget Vimy Ridge!
We do where. Seems Denmark is really far away.
I think they’re referring to Greenland but I’m not aware of a land border
Greenland is part of Denmark, we share a border with them through Hans Island
What if we just take Canada and move it over a little?
Thinking outside the
boxcontinent. I like it
Why would that matter? It’s a political and economical union, not a geographical one.
As the parliament says
In order to apply for EU membership, a country has to be European and respect the EU’s democratic values
Since according to Article 49
The applicant country must […] be a European state;
https://publications.europa.eu/resource/cellar/0ae670d2-1ece-4994-b1e3-adda39e1c6de.0006.03/DOC_1
As mentioned in the post above, what constitutes as European is decided by the European Council and European Commission. You are correct in that it is a requirement but there is nothing stopping them from going “Canada is European, as it shares our values, ideals, and ideologies”. The decision does not have to be geographical.
It’s unlikely and kind of a “the rules don’t say a dog can’t play basketball” type move but it’s technically valid.
Cyprus isn’t in Europe at all and is in the EU. You just have to be “substantially” European, according to whatever committee.
Failing that, it’s possible to be in the EU in every way but officially. Norway and Switzerland have that situation.
respect the EU’s democratic values
Just like Hungary does?
They did when they got in.
The problem is that it’s impossible to kick out a member if they stop respecting the EU’s democratic values whilst being a member.
It’s literally one of their requirements.
The definition of what classifies as European is up to the assessment of the European Council and the European Commission and need not be defined by geography.
III. CONDITIONS OF ACCESSION a) The European State
The sole material condition laid down by Article O of the TEU is that the applicant must be a ‘European State’. There is no unequivocal interpretation of that criterion. It can be read equally well in geographical, cultural or political terms.
In 1987 an application to become a Member of the Communities was received from Morocco. The application was rejected by the Council on the grounds that Morocco was not a European State ( 7). In the case of Turkey, Article 28 of the Association Agreement signed in 1963 incudes the option of Turkey’s eventually acceding to the Communities. Turkey in fact lodged an application to accede on 14 April 1987. Historically, Turkey has formed part of the so-called ‘European concert’. Although part of Turkey’s territory is located geographically in Asia, Parliament, the Council and the Commission have confirmed Turkey’s eligibility ( 8). This example shows that the term ‘European State’ need not be interpreted in a strictly geographical sense. It is at all events a criterion subject to political assessment.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/enlargement/briefings/23a2_en.htm
In other words if we decide that Canada counts, then Canada counts.
Maybe not right now but requirements can be changed, especially in times of need.
So are many parts of the Netherlands or France, for example
Local residents are not Europeans, they don’t necessarily even use euro despite their mainland countries doing just that, but they are residents of the European Union.
True, but ‘being in the EU’ is actually not that simple, and these territories have special statuses and and are not part of the ‘core EU’. Here is a simple visualization
This is going to be so funny for Britain.
They have their Commonwealth of Nations to develop further. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations
Why? Most of us want back in.
We need stronger ally relationships, considering things are going south with our Southern ally!
That would be the craziest shit to be honest, but I sure welcome you all!
I don’t think Canada needs the Euro or the Stability and Growth Pact straightjacket. We also don’t need European xenophobic attitudes towards immigration.
Let’s have a customs union, and let’s have closer integration and cooperation, but let’s keep our independence.
Signed, a dual citizen.
Stability and Growth Pact
So, here’s the Wikipedia on that. It sounds like it’s basically a way to make the Euro somewhat functional, which is ironic considering that’s the other thing you said to avoid.
I wonder how we’d rank. We have the best fiscal situation in the G7 at the moment.
European xenophobic attitudes
You know we’re not all like that, right?
And Canada also has far-right nutjobs.
Yup. Like I said, I’m a dual citizen, and I’ve experienced being an immigrant in Canada and it’s nowhere near what immigrants back home experience. But of course, Europe also has strong left and left-of-centre traditions. It just so happens that right now, they’re mostly on the back foot.
Yeah works for me.
Membership of the #EU is a long term project with many intermediate steps. Some decided they are fine with a certain step and stay on it(Norway) some decided to get off completley(Iceland) and some decided to get out after they were in(UK). Though I admit brexit was, unnecessarily, bitter the rift is healing and we enjoy good relations with all.
Tough I’d welcome Canada into the union I dont think either side fully grasp how deep and wideranging ascension would be. Regardless I’m perfectly fine with a customs union if thats what #Canada wants.
Well, Norway was at 52% Vs 48% back in '94. It’s changing, there was a big article on it today on nrk.no, so Norway might become an EU member soon.
@P1nkman well that will be interesting to see.
I dont think either side fully grasp how deep and wideranging ascension would be
Precisely. Canadians are currently experiencing whiplash from the American betrayal. While there is absolutely nothing wrong with strengthening ties, full fledged EU membership is a whole other rabbit hole that requires sober thought.
Why would this be surprising given the state of things?
Fuck yeeeah!
Canada is not part of Europe. The EU charter would require rewriting, and thats unlikely to happen.
It only needs to have some of its territory in Europe. It would be funny giving them a square meter enclave in the middle of nowhere.
Or I dont know… an embassy 🧐
Would that one island they and the Danes argue over count?
