Donald Trump has said Vladimir Putin was “doing what anybody would do” after Russia launched a massive missile and drone strike on Ukraine days after the US cut off vital intelligence and military aid to Kyiv.
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office on Friday Trump said he finds it “easier” to work with Russia than Ukraine and that Putin “wants to end the war”.
“I’m finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine. And they don’t have the cards,” Trump said. “In terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia.”
Asked whether the Russian leader was taking advantage of the pause in US intelligence sharing and military aid to Ukraine, Trump replied: “I actually think he is doing what anybody else would do.”
Guy would have sided with Hitler. Why won’t Britain surrender, Hitler just wants to end the war!
So 9/11 was what now? What a fucktard.
The guy calling for peace thinks it is okay for anyone to want to continue the violence. Fucking brilliant.
Traitors one and all and history will remember them as such. I’m Canadian and as angry as I am about the huge mess happening between my country and the USA, I’m even angrier about Ukraine. At least Canadians aren’t being killed or having tens of thousands of our children stolen away. I cannot understand the eagerness with which MAGA has embraced Putin. Looking at history until now, I never thought siding with a dictatorial warmongering Russia would be a core Republican value.
Just what a Russian stooge would say.
I mean, if Putin just wants to stop fighting, he could completely just you know: stop fucking fighting.
He’s the invader. He’s the fucking aggressor. Ukraine would happily stop fighting as they don’t want to fight.
Donald Trump is top tier fucking stupid and top tier Russian asset.
Everyone who believes this shit is a victim of severe brainwashing. Nobody, not even an actual mental retard, would believe what Trump and putin are saying. It’s because Trump followers are victims of brainwashing. They are mentally ill.
Russia almost cannot “stop” if it means getting nothing. If they do Putin will lose support and money from his oligarchs/bitches.
Would he, though?
If they do Putin will lose support and money from his oligarchs/bitches.
That’s Putin’s problem. Let him join the defenstration-fest, the bloodthirsty greedhead, and Trump with him.
I actually thought we should’ve had Putin assassinated years ago, but nobody cares what I think. I’m just an asshole who got kicked off of Reddit 
I mean, if Putin just wants to stop fighting, he could completely just you know: stop fucking fighting.
I cannot imagine a world in which Russia withdraws from the front lines and Ukrainian militants just call it a day. Way too much blood on the ground for people to just turn themselves off and call it done.
If Putin extended an offer that didn’t involve him eating the barrel of his own gun, Zelenskyy’s own guys would lynch him for taking it.
Well, obviously Ukraine would chase the invaders back to the pre-2014 borders and then stop.
That’s how wars always work. You stop at the other guy’s border because you’ve made your point.
Didn’t they just stop fighting in ww1 ? I don’t think its the same but not impossible. True Putin should retreat and leave the Ukrainian soil.
Stopping fighting is how most wars ended. It’s not a fucking cage match between two militaries that only ends after every person in one of the two militaries is dead.
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So, do you actually believe the stupid shit you’re saying, or are you getting paid for this?
do you actually believe the stupid shit you’re saying
Westerners only believe the stupid shit their domestic government tells them. Putin-shills only believe the stupid shit Putin tells them. So he’s clearly a Putin shill (or a bot or a Wumao, who can say?)
Obviously, Ukrainians must fight to the last man because Russia is run by exterminationists. But please don’t ask why Western hedge funds are salivating to get into Western Ukraine and claim all the formerly public land.
Putin meanwhile gave out very lenient peace terms in 2022
Putin invaded in 2014 seizing Crimea. Ukraine did not attack Russia.
Putin invaded Donbas and Luhansk just months later. Ukraine signed multiple peace deals which Putin violated at that time.
Putin performed a full scale invasion of Ukraine in Feb 2022.
Nothing about Putin has offered peace terms for Ukraine that Putin honors. He’ll keep violating any “peace” deals until he controls all of Ukraine or he’s dead.
So remind me again what happened in Donetsk and luhansk prior to Russia crossing the border?
It was at peace. That changed when Russian crossed the border as “little green men” unmarked Russian troops started the hot war there. Putin even admitted this was Russia:
“After two months of denial, on 17 April 2014, Russian president Vladimir Putin confirmed that the Russian military had been operating in Ukraine.[9][10] Furthermore, numerous sources, including Russian state-owned media, have confirmed that the little green men were a mix of operatives from the Special Operations Forces and various other units of the Spetsnaz GRU. It likely also included paratroopers of the 45th Guards Spetsnaz Brigade of the Russian Airborne Forces,[11][12][13] as well as mercenaries from the Russian state-funded Wagner Group.[14][15] While their status as soldiers acting under the orders of the Russian government was continually denied, their nationality was not. Alexander Borodai of the unrecognized Donetsk People’s Republic stated that 50,000 Russian citizens had fought in Ukraine’s Donbas by August 2015 and argued that they should receive the same benefits as Russia’s other war veterans, though he maintained that the Russian government did not send them.[16]” source
And nations are now realizing that Trump doesn’t fall far from the tree. He just prefers assets to land.
He just prefers assets to land.
Make no mistake, Trump wants land too (and even more so the strategic power it affords, such as control of trade routes). That’s why he’s threatening to annex Greenland, the Panama canal zone, and Canada.
- The post-Maidan government conducted massacres in Eastern Ukraine against unarmed protestors like in Mariupol where the AFU alongside Azov fired into an entire crowd. Russia justified its annexation of Crimea because it made an agreement with the legitimate government of Ukraine before Maidan to continue their lease over Sevastapol. Russia stated that the formation of this illegimate government threatened military infrastructure in Crimea which they rightfully owned due to an agreement with the previous government. Russia also named the massacres that were being conducted in Eastern Ukraine to annex Crimea to safeguard the lives of people in Crimea.
- You mean a civil war broke out between the new illegitimate government and those in Eastern Ukraine who supported the legitimate government. Russia did provide support to them that is true I guess.
- Due to Ukraine’s violations of Minsk II.
Source for 1? And regarding 3, Minsk II was violated by Putin himself when he choose to invade Ukraine in February 2022 saying Ukraine committed genocide in Donbas with no proof of the same.
Received the PM?
I will PM you source for 1 since I do not really know the rules regarding posting NSFW content in the comments. Minsk II was already null and void by the time he invaded due to Ukraine violating it.
Russian troll, nothing to see here.
Yes because everyone you disagree with, is a Russian troll.
Oh honey, you int fooling anyone.
Every fan of Putin I have ever met gave off, “my wife left me for another man,” vibes.
This post, in particular, radiates those vibes more than any other post of this category I have seen.
People often ask how you can tell if a particular post is one paid for by Putin himself, or by a true believer. The ones written by paid trolls aren’t as pathetic as this one is. They don’t make you feel sorry for the person writing it.
I never had a wife. I am an unemployed loser. So I think you have a hard time reading vibes.
I will let you draw the connection there, little buddy.
Sorry. Not much of a connection between someone who had their wife cuck them or someone who havn’t had one to begin with. Thanks for making me laugh tho.
I suggested you were a Putinista based out of cuckoldry, and you responded that it was based out of a deeper level of patheticness.
The term “patheticness” describes me very well.
The connection is basically a high voltage transmission line.
2 day old account spewing this dribble
Begone, propagandist. Peace is elusive because the Russian government has engineered the situation to be so. That you think they were “likely” to drop an obvious showstopper clause means absolutely nothing; the actual parties to the negotiation clearly did not feel that to be true.
For others who want more insight on how the 2022 talks unfolded: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-deal.html
The russian apologist strikes again…
Well at least someone is apologizing; Russia doesn’t appear to have any intention to do so.
Remind me - how many times has Putin actually kept to the terms of a ceasefire? Cause that’s exactly what he’s known for.
In the end, we all know:
-Putin is an asshole
-Ukraine did not pose the slightest military threat, and were not the aggressors
So, when it comes down to it, fuck Putin and his so called “lenient” terms. Bruising Putin’s ego is not, in fact, a crime.
Everyone knows Putin will not settle for peace. He just wants to fix supply side issues to continue the offensive. You know this. It’s not that you don’t see the evil in that man; you defend it because you support it anyway.
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Did Trump write this?
Too literate. This bozo at least writes at a high-school level.
I am not aware of myself being an orangutan.
Then why are you writing like one?
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They’re being an apologist piece of shit, but it doesn’t justify ableism like that.
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The concern isn’t about them, but clearly you don’t care.
No one has been diagnosed retarded in like 70 years boss the only people taking offense to the phase are white knights looking to save a damsel. That’s no damsel, I’m no dragon so what’s the argument.
Rude.
No one cares Karen, you don’t get to feign indignation while you spew bullshit and apologize for murderous invaders.
Bullshit is when you back your words with actual facts and then people can’t argue back but instead insult you.
No one is arguing the fact it’s the disphit opinion mixed in as fact that’s the issue.
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Again, Rude.
I suggest taking a deep breath.
I suggest shutting the fuck up if your going to be thin skinned and a Nazi.
Rude.
Also not a Nazi. In fact, I even argue with Nazis, many times in fact.
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Why does Trump think he has any say in a peace deal now that he ended support to Ukraine? It’s not up to him anymore. He chose to step down
Against an enemy who just lost funding and intelligence. No shit, you fucking psychopath.
Could he be more of a bitch to Putin? For all his egomaniacal fragile masculinity, he sure excels at being a submissive to Musk and Putin.
Well Musk funded his campaign and Putin interfered in the elections at least the 2016 elections and used reverse psychology in the last elections by endorsing Kamala Harris.
Did the troll farms disappear for 2020 and 2024?
Nope.
2 days. That account you in the comments are arguing with is 2 days old.
Good observation.
From an American:
Hey Europe, fucking pay attention. We are switching sides. Pax Americana is done. This isn’t the country you thought you knew. We’re going to walk noisy as fuck and carry a stick we’ve whittled away because we wanted to sell parts off of it.
Please don’t assume that everything is going to be alright. It’s not. I don’t want to see you guys go down with us.
There will be some struggles but nobody is going down, there is a big difference between trying to overthrow a government and actually doing it
I hope you’re right, but it’s not looking promising.
It’s early days; very easy to assume things will remain mostly the same but with higher prices, and supply issues. Maybe the odd disease?
I don’t think many people understand how the USA works, and keeps itself together, I don’t. Obviously there is inertia that going to keep things more or less stable.
But if a system is stressed and then something else happens, totally out of left field, history is just filled to the brim of unlucky coincidences affecting large swathes of peoples
higher prices, and supply issues. Maybe the odd disease?
That’s what I meant by struggles
You make it sound like the US will be completely erased from existence, that’s not how reality works, countries don’t just disappear, they change and sometimes into multiple smaller countries but they’re the same people and I think that’s the most important defining factor of a country.
I agree that such a change will have a negative short term impact but if everybody goes to protests, apply civil disobedience and maybe a general strike the risk of violence goes way the fuck down and the only dangers are the ones from lack of resources and rapid spread of illness but these will be fixed long term
Nice 2 day account you got there
I wouldn’t do it. But then again I’m not a fascist imperialist dictator with delusions of grandeur.
“I’m finding it more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine. And they don’t have the cards,” Trump said. “In terms of getting a final settlement, it may be easier dealing with Russia.”
It’s infuriating how stupid he is. Just “my feelings tell me to do X” nonstop, every day, like cultured cells responding to a stimulus shock.
It’s infuriating how stupid he is.
How so? Trump is stupid yes but in regards to this? Zelenskyy is too far into “to the last Ukrainian” camp.
Atleast Putin attempted to force realistic (and rather lenient) terms on Ukraine way back in 2022, meanwhile Zelenskyy has given out his ten point peace nonsense for years.
You mean terms like „I‘ll stop hurting you if you give me more land and don‘t ask for help from the west.“?
Give me a break!
Nope, Ukraine would have kept all of its land had they accepted Putin’s offer in 2022. Even the status of Crimea was to be negotiable after 10-15 years.
Putin’s peace treaty would have the US and the UK, as guarantors, who were obliged to assist Ukraine in case of aggression against it.
Try again.
Nope, Ukraine would have kept all of its land had they accepted Putin’s offer in 2022. Even the status of Crimea was to be negotiable after 10-15 years.
Right, but Crimea is Ukraine’s land which Russia invaded and stole in 2014. So that’s not letting Ukraine have all its land is it? It’s letting Ukraine keep bits of land you haven’t stolen yet. Can you see how that might not seem very reasonable?
Take it back then. Oh wait Ukraine tried and is failing to that. Instead they have lost a larger portion of their country. Ever heard of the sunk cost fallacy? Ukraine should take the loss and make peace before more people sadly die from this horrible war.
Ukraine was at peace in 2014 before Russia invaded. The only reason there is not peace is because of Putin.
No they weren’t. Before the annexation of Crimea, Ukraine underwent a violent coup against the democratically elected government where Ukrainian ultranationalists burned down an entire building filled with dozens of unarmed protestors who were against this illegitimate coup conducted by said ultranationalists.
Ukraine underwent a violent coup against the democratically elected government
Yanukovych was a Putin puppet that turned armed forces against unarmed civilians. The armed forces themselves turned on Yanukovych. That tells you how bad he was for Ukraine. If you’re looking for Yanukovych now, you’ll find him in Russia. I wonder why…
Yanukovych was a Putin puppet that turned armed forces against unarmed civilians. The armed forces themselves turned on Yanukovych.
What happened was that pro-maidan snipers shot their own protestors and then blame it on the government in a false flag operation.
Oh and have a fun time trying to prove that several hundred witness testimonies, 2,000 videos, and 6,000 photos, and 30 gigabytes of radio intercepts are Russian propaganda.
And what would Ukraine have to give Putin in return? The thing is Putin started the war! Putin started the war because Ukraine was daring to enter NATO which you could literally only hate if you actually wanted to fuck with some country!
Putins offer can be boiled down to „If you don‘t tattle to the teacher, i will stop punching you. Perhaps i could give you back your iPod when you graduate high school if you ask me nicely then.“
What the fuck is that kind of a bullshit deal? This could only be beaten if another bully agrees with the first bully to take your phone and leave the iPod and both of them will not beat them into the hospital. Oh wait…
And what would Ukraine have to give Putin in return? The thing is Putin started the war! Putin started the war because Ukraine was daring to enter NATO which you could literally only hate if you actually wanted to fuck with some country!
Putin’s reasons for starting the invasion was multifold. Ukraine was to cease NATO membership plans; downsize its military forces; forbid foreign countries from hosting military bases; and pay reparations. In return, Ukraine would be allowed to keep all of its territory, Crimea would be negotiable after 10-15 years, they would be allowed to join the EU, AND Russia would allow several NATO members to guarantee Ukraine’s soveriengty. This means that Ukraine would get the main benefit of joining NATO (protection) without the ability to act as a base for NATO soldiers and weapons that can be used for offensive purposes against Russia.
NATO looked like the next coming of the Axis powers to Russia and can you blame them? It practically surrounded them. Perhaps you would be more understanding if you would think about what if Mexico, Cuba, and Canada was part of the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War? You can say that this is Russian propaganda and you can be right but you forget that Russia and its people unironically believe in their own propaganda that NATO is out to get them.
TLDR: Russia would have allowed Ukraine to invoke Article 5 if invaded but not base NATO weapons and soldiers during peacetime that can be used for offensive purposes.
Ukraine was to cease NATO membership plans; downsize its military forces; forbid foreign countries from hosting military bases; and pay reparations.
That’s none of Putin’s fucking business. Ukraine is a sovereign country that can make its own decisions about its future. If your bullshit reasoning is reasonable, if Putin takes Ukraine fully are you justifying Putin invading Poland and Romania for being in NATO with foreign miltary bases too?
It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s the firehose of bullshit.
It stopped being a sovereign nation after the illegitimate coup which occured in 2014.
NATO looked like the next coming of the Axis powers to Russia and can you blame them?
Yes?
And as for the rest: Putin has a long and sordid history of ignoring treaties with former parts of the USSR. He dangles the carrot and then hits with the stick if any of the soviet states actually try to eat it.
Russia wants Ukraine to become another Belarus or Georgia. Ukraine does not want that. Ukraine is a sovereign nation and does not want to invade Russia or take its land. Neither does NATO.
After that, your argument completely falls apart. It’s no more than the excuse, but has no grounding in reality.
Maybe Ukraine should not act like Georgia. I.E, conducing massacres against civilians during a civil war.
Ukraine has not been sovereign since 2014 imo. The democratically elected government got overthrown by a violent coup leading to massive amounts of unrest in Eastern Ukraine leading to this new illegitimate government conducting massacres like the Victory Day Massacre where they fired into an entire crowd.
TLDR: Russia would have allowed Ukraine to invoke Article 5 if invaded but not base NATO weapons and soldiers during peacetime that can be used for offensive purposes.
In other words, he would have allowed them to draw NATO into a conflict, but not to do anything to deter actual aggression or make it possible for NATO to fight effectively if called upon to do so. And any such conditions would violate Ukraine’s sovereignty. Free countries can ally themselves with whoever they want to.
So you are part of the To the last Ukrainian camp. You know Russia is not going to withdraw from Ukraine unless Ukraine surrenders. You know Ukraine has no chance to win. But instead of demanding Ukraine to make peace, you want the war to continue including all of the horrible suffering it has caused.
Reparations for being invaded…
Oh, so it’s Zelenskyy’s fault for continuing to resist aggression. Victim-blame much?
He should have implemented Minsk II as promised in his election.
Simply put, the Russians can’t be trusted to honor any agreement that’s not backed up by force. Their “terms” aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. They’ve never honored any agreement they’ve made with Ukraine, and as long as Putin is in power they never will.
Their “terms” aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on. They’ve never honored any agreement they’ve made with Ukraine, and as long as Putin is in power they never will.
Except, there are multiple problems with your logic.
Had Zelenskyy accepted Putin’s offer in 2022, future Russian aggression would encounter a problem, the peace treaty would have the US and the UK, as guarantors, who were obliged to assist Ukraine in case of aggression against it. While the Russian Federation attempted to add on another condition where all guarantor states including Russia itself would have to agree to intervene in Ukraine possibily giving Russia the ability to veto other countries from aiding Ukraine in the event Russia broke the agreement, they were likely willing to drop that condition. Throughout the negotiations, Russia was actually dropping many of their previous demands and compromised with Ukraine on multiple occasions (unlike Zelenskyy who didn’t even invite Putin to his peace summits, kinda like the Russia-US peace summits rn).
And that previous agreements were also broken by both sides:
Budapest Memorandum was made null and void in 2013 when the US sanctioned Belarus which was explicitly prohibited in the agreement.
Minsk II was made null and void after Ukraine not only refused to implement them but created laws that violated the agreement and this is more or less the main reason 2022 invasion happened.
Minsk I "agreement quickly broke down, with violations by both sides."
Except, again, there’s no reason to believe that Russia was negotiating in good faith, and it sounds like the inclusion of security guarantees from the West is one of the reasons the talks broke down.
Again, Russia has broken basically every treaty and agreement they’ve ever made with Ukraine.
https://thedispatch.com/article/russia-history-broken-treaties-agreements/?signup=success
Your article basically stated that western countries are not willing to protect Ukraine. So what is the point of Ukraine trying to join NATO? That is the entire reason why this war started alongside Ukraine’s violations of Minsk II. So Ukraine could have simply prevented all of this nonsense by simply trying to not join NATO which they won’t join anyways.
Also love how you bring up a biased source.
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The Budapest Memorandum only applied to the legitimate government of Ukraine. Russia does not consider the government of Ukraine post-Maidan to be legitimate for obvious reasons. Maidan was a violent coup against the democratically elected government with the post-Maidan government launching massacres against anti-Maidan protestors in Eastern Ukraine. It was also first violated by the United States who sanctioned Belarus which was explicity prohibited under the Memorandum.
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Minsk I was violated by both sides. Even Ukraine admits this. This is why Minsk II was created because no one followed Minsk I.
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Minsk II was violated by Ukraine not Russia. The agreement explicity stated that elections come first and then withdrawal. Ukraine wanted Russia to withdraw first before allowing elections in the DPR and LPR which is against the agreement.
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The rest of those agreements are mainly between the US and Russia. Both of them violate it. US continued to develop nuclear weapons despite of the New START Treaty which is one of the reasons why Russia withdrew from it. The US illegitimately removed the accountability under the Treaty about a hundred strategic offensive arms. Both sides violated the Open Skies treaties. Treaties between Russia and the US are irrelvant when talking about Russian treaties with Ukraine.
I think you’re going to keep finding reasons why it’s Ukraine’s fault no matter what I or anyone say!s! I won’t waste any more time on this. The fact remains that Russia has broken pretty much every agreement they’ve ever struck with Ukraine since at least 2014, and Ukraine has zero incentive to enter into a new one without the force to ensure it’s followed. Their only choice is to try and wear Russia down with prolonged conflict.
Nope. Russia followed Minsk II. Ukraine did not.
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Easier to work with Putin ? Wow.
I mean, yeah. Putin wants the US to do nothing and give them Ukraine, Ukraine wants the US to stay committed to past agreements and do something.
He has the cards and by cards I mean kompromat.
If you’re evil, maybe.
