Version 2 of the European app alternatives. Feel free to share it :)
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Isn’t mapy.cz just an OSM wrapper, but proprietary?
Aren’t almost all of these quite terrible?
Not at all.
Of course you would disagree, you’re promoting them.
But I will be more than happy to replace them or add alternative in the next iteration of the infographic. What apps would you recommend?
I would reccommend further development.
And as we arm the continent for war once more, as the US commits to isolationism and NATO abandonment, we might as well disregard any copyright issues preventing the implementation of important features. So while we might lose everything, we might finally get decent European elternatives for a brief period.
Here Wego is the worst maps service I’ve ever had the displeasure of using. Amazon used to use it for deliveries (maybe they still do), and it took almost a year to get it to recognise that my house was not 8 miles away on a completely different road. It messed up the Amazon routes as the route it picked was all in that same area, except my house, that was 8 miles away.
As a musician, I don’t like SoundCloud. The free upload limit is way too small, their compression is not great and every time you do anything they try to sell you one of their subscriptions, which also cost way too much imo.
If other musicians didn’t use it as much I would have already thrown it out long ago.
For maps I’d also like to add Organic Maps, OsmAnd and Magic Earth.
especially Organic Maps, it’s got the most user-friendly UI out of the three
Thank you! We already had Organic Maps in the database but I will add OsmAnd and Magic Earth now.
MagicEarth is the european version of Waze.
Good to know. :)
Where’s Signal (or molly if you need foss)? Signal is an non-profit organisation, so I’d say it can hardly be branded ‘from’ anywhere unless you’re talking about servers location but then…
Thanks for the suggestions!
The whole seznam ecosystem is an alternative to Google, unfortunately it’s Czech only
Is there a European Android-Alternative?
How would I utilise these OS on an android phone please?
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SailfishOS
Calling Peertube a Youtube alternative is just wrong. It is an alternative in theory but it probably doesn’t even have a milionth of the content that Youtube has.
That’s the problem with “the winner takes it all” on the Internet. Which European alternative would you suggest instead?
I’m not saying PeerTube is bad, but if I was a regular person that wanted an alternative to YouTube, going to PeerTube would be an annoying experience that will probably turn me off from it. You have to let people come with the appropriate expectations.
YouTube also didn’t have that variety and amount of videos when it started \o/
So? Again, peertube is great and I’m hoping it grows, but sending people ther as a YT alternative right now is just misleading, odyssey is much closer and even then I wouldn’t call it a real alternative yet.
There is no real YouTube alternative, unfortunately. The content makes a video platform great. No alternative video platform is anywhere close to YouTube in content diversity.
It’s unfortunately a very different situation to most other things. For example you can “simply” convince your circle of friends to use Threema. Try convincing your favorite Youtubers to post on any alternative platform and see how far you get.
I understand - my hope here would be we see „real“ content that is not clickbait optimized as there is no incentive on that
Dailymotion ?
Good idea!
Canada wants to know: why not zoidberg?
I’m using Obsidian. That’s Canadian. Very good editor/PKM in my humble opinion.
Missing out the big one here - Spotify is also European fyi.
I told OP this in previous post; Spotify gave money to Trumps’ inauguration. That’s why it was removed.
Shameless plug for Navidrome
Want your music, always available. No ads, no enshitification. Maximum quality, always reliable?
There is only one clear winner for me.
Interesting service! Good if you own a library of music.
We learn and iterate. Thanks for the feedback! We still list Spotify in the database but plan to include quality factors in the (probably not so near) future as well to better differentiate between “European address” and “European commitment”.
What the heck is “European commitment”?
Production in EU, Production in Europe, Production outside Europe could be factors for example and is what I referred to as “European commitment” prior. “European address” would be minimum presence in Europe but formally incorporated there.
That’s a fair point.
left Spotify for Deezer. Spotify owners are fashy.
I use Spotify Connect quite extensively to put music onto my radio without it being Bluetooth. Does Deezer have an equivalent?
but also platforms right wingers that had an impact on influencing our election. i get i shouldn’t be the one guiding boycotts of my own nation’s products, i’m just saying spotify has been antihelpful when it comes to the creation of this situation
Yeah I can totally understand that especially in relation to Rogan etc.
Unfortunately, the PeerTube community is inactive and small. There are basically no interesting videos at all.
!peertube@lemmy.wtf is quite active and tries to highlight interesting content.
Thanks, I will try it out.
SepiaSeach will search a large number of instances for content. Not a bad start for peertube. But I do agree that it’s hard to find good content there.
Yep, as it doesn’t have a monetization incentive it will be never that appealing. There should be a way for authors to earn money.
It’s not about monetisation. It’s about audience. Who is going to bother to host an instance and post to a platform where the most popular videos only get 100 views?
monetizing life led to the shittiness. don’t do it again.
Can not agree more. When I open YouTube and see the amount of clickbait previews, badly cut and created content and just copies left n right I loose all interest
It’s true that the monetisation of everything is pretty awful, but it’s one of the most important reasons to join a platform for content creators whether we like it or not.
The main reason to join a platform for a creator is the amount of the potential viewers, which of course don’t increase much without new content creators. Therefore Peertube needs a secondary reason for creators to join, which it doesn’t seem to have.
If anything, joining Peertube will in theory decrease their income, which actually gives them a reason to not join :(
at this point in my life, i just can’t care about catering once again to capitalism. i’m basically out of that game and encourages others to do the same.
youtube worked because it was fun to make videos for each other as a community. that’s what peertube brings back and i prefer it that way rather than the attention-addicted sickness it has become.
Monetizing leads to being able to pay bills. Don’t you think authors deserve being paid for the content if they wish so? Besides Google managing of youtube is cause of shittiness. Personally I would be fine with a subscription as long as artists get most of it.
it doesn’t need to be built in. there’s already a section to add Support links.
How do support links work?
just external links to donate sites, patreons, Kofi, etc.
Yeah, that does not and will not work, at least not on scale. Think about an average user - do you think he/she will donate to each video he/she watches, perhaps on TV? But if the model is a subscription one (think Netflix, Tidal, Spotify, heck, perhaps even YouTube and so on, with amount being fairly distributed to authors), then it just might work.
Any alternative to Trello one of you can recommend?
I hadn’t heard about it. Once we add more business software alternatives to the database, I will make sure to keep it in mind. Thanks for the suggestion! :)
No problem. There’s also https://cryptpad.org/, an FOSS, self hostable private E2EE office suite (self hosted, but counts because the flagship instance is french.)
Protonmail is missing.
Due to negative feedback in version 1.0 I removed it from the infographic. You can still find it in the database itself.
