• _stranger_@lemmy.worldEnglish
    13·
    5 hours ago

    This is supposed to be what NATO is for, so that they all fight like cats in a boardroom instead of killing their citizens on the battlefield.

  • freebee@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    161·
    6 hours ago

    It’s still a win-win. Sweden got the nuclear umbrella now (even with Trump because also France, UK), and Sweden brings a lot of conventional power to the weak east flank of the alliance (good for Baltics).

  • solomon42069@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    9 hours ago

    Easy solution - new defence pact without USA and invite everyone else the Trumpian USA stiffed on defence like Australia.

    We (Australia) are already in Eurovision so a defence pact with Europe (and the UK lol) would make sense!

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      21·
      4 hours ago

      Why? Are you worried the US is going to pull everyone into war or something?

      My understanding is that people are annoyed at US actions outside of NATO, like positions WRT NATO, Trump/Musk nonsense domestically, etc. But are they worried the US won’t defend if a NATO country is attacked?

      I understand issues with the US as a trade partner, but you really want the biggest military on your side in a defensive pact.

    • Rusty@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      6 hours ago

      Does Australia need EU help in case a Second Emu War breaks out?

    • SkunkWorkz@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      7 hours ago

      lol no way Europeans will cross half the planet to come to your defense in Emu War II.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      9 hours ago

      Our collective terrible singing, worse than the siren of Stuka and more terrifying than the brrt of A-10, will surely deter the both the Americans and Russians.

  • GissaMittJobb@lemmy.mlEnglish
    321·
    12 hours ago

    The U.S-part of it turned to shit incredibly quickly, but at least the rest of the Alliance is still mostly sane. Given that no one in the alliance can rely on the U.S any more, we’ll all just have to up our defenses collectively, and that way, NATO still sort of works out.

    • lime!English
      71·
      12 hours ago

      as long as it works on a full consensus system for decisions it’s a time bomb.

  • lime!English
    104·
    12 hours ago

    bit too much enthusiasm on Troy’s face to match reality. we didn’t want to join. the current government didn’t promise joining during the elections. there was no referendum, and at no point during the past ten years would the join side have won if there was one.

    we had to remove trade barriers to get in. we put those up because we didn’t want to sell weapons to countries systematically violating human rights on their own soil.

    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      7·
      9 hours ago

      https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/majority-swedes-favour-joining-nato-poll-2022-03-04/

      2022 polls started showing a majority in favor with support increasing after that

      Majority of the Parliament was in favor since December 2020 (only MP truly against, V wanted a referendum) with elections happening in September 2022 (after applying in May), two years prior to officially joining… If Swedes were so against it then Andersson wouldn’t have gained seats during that election.

      • lime!English
        21·
        8 hours ago

        seems i’ve been a bit mistaken. on page 68 of the GU SOM-census you can see the enormous shift in the public opinion. unfortunately it doesn’t go beyond 2022. i’d be interested in seeing how it changed through the application process. Officerstidningen says support went down after 2022 but they don’t have a graph.

        i still think it was a brexit-style peek above the surface for the join side, because the stuff we’ve had to give up to join has not been popular.