• Hlodwig@lemmy.world
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    2 days ago

    Lol, France gets whole country paralyzed for 2cents tax increase on gas. US put their flag upside down after the government is litteraly stripping all their liberties from them… Pathetic…

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      I’m asking as someone who legit doesn’t know, how does the French government respond to protesters? In the US at least we get shot at, maimed, felony records that lock you out of the job market forever, all kinds of stuff. Protesting in the US can be a life or death thing. Striking is also very difficult at a scale big enough to matter to the government because the US is enormous. If not enough people strike for critical mass then companies start firing everyone and any fines are just operating expenses. It’s not impossible, we’ve done it before, but it’s not like we’re struggling to resist for funsies

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      Well the distance from one side of Paris to the other is 11.5km.

      The distance from the furthest point in France to paris is like 723km.

      Washington DC is 22km at it’s widest point.

      The furthest point in the U.S. to Washington DC is 7,800 I’m.

      In the lower 48 only, if you could walk in a straight line, it would be nearly 4000km. Driving it’s an even longer distance cause it ain’t straight.

      I don’t know what the fuck you Europeans think the size and population density of the US is.

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        The distance from the furthest point in France to paris is like 723km.

        The furthest point in France is Wallis and Futuna which is 16000km from Paris.

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          By that reasoning here in Canada resistance is futile and we can never according to geography protest in any way.

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        The civil rights movement managed to organize a massive march on Washington in the early 1960s. It should be far easier to organize something similar or even larger with the current technology and larger population.

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          And the leaders of the civil rights organization had amazing public speaking skills, were professors or church leaders, or otherwise people who had a voice.

          AoC and Bernie are the two doing anything right now, and you better believe when they come here I’m going. But to say get off my ass and do something?

          Good fucking luck having just anyone do that.

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            Lack of democratic leadership is not a geographic problem. In your previous comment you claimed that it was because of distance that there were no large protests, but it’s pretty obvious that those distances are not the reason.

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              Because they have the resources to do so. They aren’t traveling for free, and it’s not quick. It would be a two day trip for me to get to DC. The nearest place worth staging a protest is 6 hours away by car.

              This isn’t hard to grasp.

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                  The civil rights movement started 8 years prior, and it was almost entirely focused locally in Alabama & Tennessee. Using today’s technology to spread the word, great, you have people doing the same thing with the 50501. We’re still limited by travel times.

                  Planning for the March on Washington started in 1961, and was largely supported by unions. Guess what has been absolutely decimated since then? A whole bunch of people talking online is great, but you still need proximity to organize shit like transporting a bunch of people to one location from another. They organized 250k people. 50501 can probably organize far more, but it will take longer even with instant communication.

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                    One USA metropolitan area has as many as many people in it as many small countries. All these excuses that you’re making as to why there are no large protests because of American exceptionalism, they just sound hollow. Protesting or not comes down to people and ATM there seems to be a severe lack of high level activist pro democracy leadership.

                    Edit: I do appreciate your answer about it taking 2 years to prepare that march, that’s new info for me. But even then, I’d expect pro democracy protest everywhere and the Washington DC metropolitan area (or other densely populated areas) shouldn’t need to depend on further away regions to get large numbers to turn up.

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          I agree with the strike.

          but to whom am I protesting? what am I protesting? why am I protesting?

          typical European doesn’t understand so let me put it in a way for you to finally get it.

          when your country protested against a war that was happening 7000km away, did it stop the war? did the fighting stop? how about your local politicians? did they even make anything more than a passing comment? did you lose sleep over it? did you skip meals because you couldn’t stomach it due to stress? did you skip meals to save it for tomorrow?

          nobody cares unless you make them care. you want a high impact protest that’s going to shake them to their core? organize a 10 million man march to washington.

          until then I think we Americans would appreciate you to shut your ignorant european mouth. you have no idea what it’s like for us right now.

          people are scared, they are running out of money, out of patience, out of hope. many of us don’t even know what we’re going to do because our government is attacking us, attacking the establishments put in place that protect us. we’re coming to grips to the reality that our government was so easily dismantled.

          worst of all we’re getting a taste of the underbelly of American society. it’s a major culture shock to say the least. a veritable powder keg about to go off. literal Nazi’s marching down the street. White supremacists threatening citizens. our community watchers, who had infiltrated the cult are raising alarms saying something big is coming.

          so while you lay in your bed tonight thinking about the weekend, or what you’re going to have for lunch or dinner, or about your kids school play, etc – I want you to imagine for a minute what it feels like not knowing what tomorrow brings. I want you to ask yourself some of these questions before you sleep for thr next three weeks. Don’t worry, you won’t run out. there’s more coming this week, and the week after, and the one after that.

          • are they going to close the public schools?
          • how will I work if I have to take care of my kids?
          • can I afford daycare?
          • what will we eat if I lose my job?
          • what if I can’t pay my mortgage/rent?
          • what would happen if h5n1 or measles gets worse?
          • do I have enough canned goods to live for a week, maybe two?
          • what happens if the regional water filtration system is shut down through an act of Doge?
          • Will I be able to fill my tub in time?
          • how many days will that buy me?
          • should I make a plan for armed insurgents/looters?
          • should I make a plan for if I get raped?
          • will I be able to abort a pregnancy from a rape?
          • what if the rapist forces me to carry the child to term?
          • will my children be able to get the medicine they need to live?
          • how long will it even be safe before companies slack on a lack of regulatory agencies?
          • will my children be sent off to a camp because they are on attention deficit drugs?
          • will I be because I am too?
          • when will ICE come to arrest me?
          • even though I was born in America?
          • why me?
          • why us?
          • why?
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            This is the part I’m talking about. The last guy marginally successful at that got assassinated by the FBI 60 years ago.

            And our lives are purposely overloaded with crap, and we’re so dispersed as to fail to collectivise. Individualism and materialistic values are so hammered into us so that any attempt to collectivise are self-thwarted by ourselves.

            The few of us who realize what’s going on can’t do much other than say something. Hope we can connect people to say “yeah, let’s see what’s up.” And it’s gonna take a fuckton of effort, and it’s not going to happen a month after shit really starts going to hell.

            Thank you for spelling out the anxieties we all experience because of intense suppression by the elite. I don’t think any country on this planet can look at us see “our wealth” and not realize that 99% of us don’t have any.

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        This is the lamest most pathetic American excuse I hear everytime. Or how about your population is ignorant and obese? And loves sucking off billionaires. Why the fuck do you have to protest in DC? God damn sick of how ignorant your comment is