Because Javascript was a cancerous mistake. Web browsers should never have been scope-creeped to allow executable “apps” instead of “pages” of document markup.
There was no problem requiring a solution. Just like cars functioned perfectly fine as cars for decades before becoming gross, always online, data harvesting privacy invasion devices, the “solution” would have been to just not do that. Cars used to let you drive places just fine before jamming internet connections in them. Similarly, browsers used to let you browse the web just fine before we decided to abandon stand alone software development to jam everything in a browser.
I’m not sure what the solution is that you’re proposing. Web documents with links to download software instead of web apps? Am I understanding that right?
Web apps don’t need to exist, so yeah. A website should just be a website. If there’s something that NEEDS a whole ass application to run, that should be something you have the choice to download and install, not implemented in an invasive way in unrelated software meant to show some interactive text, images, and video.
Your post asking for a solution was in the past tense. I answered in that context. Anyone following the discussion is able to see that. If you changed your frame of reference in your mind to the present day, you sure didn’t communicate that here, so that’s on you. How would we solve this problem today? I don’t think we can. Javascript and the like are way too entrenched and web apps are a way of life now. We’re stuck with this privacy invading nonsense until something drastic changes, but I don’t know that that change would look like.
I didn’t change the frame of reference. Those technologies are 30 years old. Back when I started using computers, you had to download every little thing and websites looked like shit. That was the problem that needed solving. Your “solution” was to basically just keep doing that. In fact, you don’t even think it was a problem.
Viruses and malware didn’t exist in your world, did they? You were happy loading up any old program onto your DOS machine to test it, right? No sandboxing, no nothing. The world was perfect back then. Java applets were a treat too, right? Running right in your user environment with access to the full disk. Why ever change that? There wouldn’t ever be a problem with drive-by infections. Nooo, full-disk access is not a problem to solve.
GIFs were an amazing technology too. We should’ve stayed with that instead of streaming or upload videos to watch them in the browser. Yeah, I loved having to download everything then hope the video format was playable locally.
Bro, your “proposal” to just stay stuck in Y2K is garbage and you expect me to just nod along. Good old days my ass. Web apps exist for a bloody reason and solve real problems. If you seriously think they’re just here to flash ads at you and track you, then you stopped thinking years ago. Think about a real, alternative solution instead just “we don’t need it”. It might actually get some dust off the cogs in that machine of yours instead of just storing old memories and wishing times hadn’t changed.
The fuck are you on about? This post is such an extreme overreaction. You’ve successfully made up a bunch of shit that you think I’m advocating for and then gotten super mad about your own bullshit. I didn’t say that nothing should have changed or evolved from back then. I said that Javascript was a bad way forward and that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with separation of software by function instead of making one bit of software an all in one solution. But go ahead and rant and make personal attacks. I don’t even know why I’m trying to clarify my position to someone who’s intent on demonstrating they’re clearly not someone worth discussing things with.
Because Javascript was a cancerous mistake. Web browsers should never have been scope-creeped to allow executable “apps” instead of “pages” of document markup.
I am curious, what do you think would’ve been the better solution?
There was no problem requiring a solution. Just like cars functioned perfectly fine as cars for decades before becoming gross, always online, data harvesting privacy invasion devices, the “solution” would have been to just not do that. Cars used to let you drive places just fine before jamming internet connections in them. Similarly, browsers used to let you browse the web just fine before we decided to abandon stand alone software development to jam everything in a browser.
I’m not sure what the solution is that you’re proposing. Web documents with links to download software instead of web apps? Am I understanding that right?
We used to do server side stuff
Web apps don’t need to exist, so yeah. A website should just be a website. If there’s something that NEEDS a whole ass application to run, that should be something you have the choice to download and install, not implemented in an invasive way in unrelated software meant to show some interactive text, images, and video.
You’re shouting at clouds old man. I thought you were going to propose an actual solution, not just weather against the times.
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Your post asking for a solution was in the past tense. I answered in that context. Anyone following the discussion is able to see that. If you changed your frame of reference in your mind to the present day, you sure didn’t communicate that here, so that’s on you. How would we solve this problem today? I don’t think we can. Javascript and the like are way too entrenched and web apps are a way of life now. We’re stuck with this privacy invading nonsense until something drastic changes, but I don’t know that that change would look like.
I didn’t change the frame of reference. Those technologies are 30 years old. Back when I started using computers, you had to download every little thing and websites looked like shit. That was the problem that needed solving. Your “solution” was to basically just keep doing that. In fact, you don’t even think it was a problem.
Viruses and malware didn’t exist in your world, did they? You were happy loading up any old program onto your DOS machine to test it, right? No sandboxing, no nothing. The world was perfect back then. Java applets were a treat too, right? Running right in your user environment with access to the full disk. Why ever change that? There wouldn’t ever be a problem with drive-by infections. Nooo, full-disk access is not a problem to solve.
GIFs were an amazing technology too. We should’ve stayed with that instead of streaming or upload videos to watch them in the browser. Yeah, I loved having to download everything then hope the video format was playable locally.
Bro, your “proposal” to just stay stuck in Y2K is garbage and you expect me to just nod along. Good old days my ass. Web apps exist for a bloody reason and solve real problems. If you seriously think they’re just here to flash ads at you and track you, then you stopped thinking years ago. Think about a real, alternative solution instead just “we don’t need it”. It might actually get some dust off the cog
sin that machine of yours instead of just storing old memories and wishing times hadn’t changed.The fuck are you on about? This post is such an extreme overreaction. You’ve successfully made up a bunch of shit that you think I’m advocating for and then gotten super mad about your own bullshit. I didn’t say that nothing should have changed or evolved from back then. I said that Javascript was a bad way forward and that I don’t think there’s anything wrong with separation of software by function instead of making one bit of software an all in one solution. But go ahead and rant and make personal attacks. I don’t even know why I’m trying to clarify my position to someone who’s intent on demonstrating they’re clearly not someone worth discussing things with.