The Proletariat is the people indeed, and the people supported the purges. They had already spent years in a civil war against the Tsarists, were invaded by 14 Capitalist nations, and fascists in Nazi Germany were killing Communists from day 1. The re-introduction of Capitalism resulted in 7 million excess deaths.
Yes, Monarchism, Capitalism, and fascism are worthless.
Sounds like anti-fascism, anti-capitalism, and anti-monarchism is… fascism? Do you read what you write? Again, I’ll direct you over to Dr. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
authoritarian: check
dictatorial leader: check
militarism: check
forcible suppression of opposition: check
subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation: check
strong regimentation of society and the economy: check
It may claim to be a turkey, but its seems to be clucking a lot like a chicken.
Certainly less authoritarian than Tsarism, Capitalism, or fascism, didn’t have a dictatorial leader, genuinely served the interests of the individual and the collective, and reduced regimentation of society and the economy compared to Tsarism, Capitalism, and fascism. The only point you have was the millitarism.
Again, read Blackshirts and Reds. The Communists and fascists were entirely antagonistic and served different classes, the Communists served the proletariat while the fascists served the bourgeoisie.
The political orthodoxy that demonizes communism permeates the entire political perspective. Even people on the Left have internalized the liberal/conservative ideology that equates fascism and communism as equally evil totalitarian twins, two major mass movements of the twentieth century. This book attempts to show the enormous differences between fascism and communism both past and present, both in theory and practice, especially in regard to questions of social equality, private capital accumulation, and class interest.
The orthodox mythology also would have us believe that the Western democracies (with the United States leading the way) have opposed both totalitarian systems with equal vigor. In fact, U.S. leaders have been dedicated above all to making the world safe for global corporate investment and the private profit system. Pursuant of this goal, they have used fascism to protect capitalism, while claiming to be saving democracy from communism.
In the pages ahead I discuss how capitalism propagates and profits from fascism, the value of revolution in the advancement of the human condition, the causes and effects of the destruction of communism, the continuing relevance of Marxism and class analysis, and the heartless nature of corporate-class power.
Im tired of these wasted arguments. I agree the soviets were not facists in the strictest sense. But my entire point is the result of the soviet model lead to the exact same autocracy authoritarian government that denied their civilians right to their own voices.
They weren’t fascist in any sense. Your point isn’t based on historical fact at all, you just kept linking Wikipedia articles when I was giving you sources Wikipedia cites. It was in no way the “exact same autocracy authoritarian government” or anything of the sort, you literally said fascists should have been allowed in government even when the citizens supported the purges.
This is historical nihilism, you don’t care about history, you care about being right.
I said purging opposition is a facist purge. And can you really say “citizens” support it when elections were limited by choices preapprpved by the communist party? Even if it were supported by the majority… then that simply makes them no better than the nazis purging their population. Do you support genocide? It sounds a lot like you support genocide.
Supporting democracy is equivalent to supporting genocide?
Supporting a popular movement to remove fascists from government is equivalent to supporting genocide?
I’m convinced you don’t actually read what you write at all, this is incredibly silly behavior. You’re even wrong about candidates needing to be “pre-approved,” that was true in some cases and false in others, and even if it was true in all cases it doesn’t mean popular support for removing fascists is somehow support for genocide.
Seriously, touch grass. You don’t have to read, or learn about history, as long as you make an effort to touch grass at this point.
The Proletariat is the people indeed, and the people supported the purges. They had already spent years in a civil war against the Tsarists, were invaded by 14 Capitalist nations, and fascists in Nazi Germany were killing Communists from day 1. The re-introduction of Capitalism resulted in 7 million excess deaths.
Yes, Monarchism, Capitalism, and fascism are worthless.
Sounds a lot like facism in a trench coat.
Sounds like anti-fascism, anti-capitalism, and anti-monarchism is… fascism? Do you read what you write? Again, I’ll direct you over to Dr. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds.
Lets see here… the definition of facism
authoritarian: check
dictatorial leader: check
militarism: check
forcible suppression of opposition: check
subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation: check
strong regimentation of society and the economy: check
It may claim to be a turkey, but its seems to be clucking a lot like a chicken.
Certainly less authoritarian than Tsarism, Capitalism, or fascism, didn’t have a dictatorial leader, genuinely served the interests of the individual and the collective, and reduced regimentation of society and the economy compared to Tsarism, Capitalism, and fascism. The only point you have was the millitarism.
Again, read Blackshirts and Reds. The Communists and fascists were entirely antagonistic and served different classes, the Communists served the proletariat while the fascists served the bourgeoisie.
Read it, you need to understand history.
Im tired of these wasted arguments. I agree the soviets were not facists in the strictest sense. But my entire point is the result of the soviet model lead to the exact same autocracy authoritarian government that denied their civilians right to their own voices.
They weren’t fascist in any sense. Your point isn’t based on historical fact at all, you just kept linking Wikipedia articles when I was giving you sources Wikipedia cites. It was in no way the “exact same autocracy authoritarian government” or anything of the sort, you literally said fascists should have been allowed in government even when the citizens supported the purges.
This is historical nihilism, you don’t care about history, you care about being right.
I said purging opposition is a facist purge. And can you really say “citizens” support it when elections were limited by choices preapprpved by the communist party? Even if it were supported by the majority… then that simply makes them no better than the nazis purging their population. Do you support genocide? It sounds a lot like you support genocide.
Removing fascists from government is fascist?
Supporting democracy is equivalent to supporting genocide?
Supporting a popular movement to remove fascists from government is equivalent to supporting genocide?
I’m convinced you don’t actually read what you write at all, this is incredibly silly behavior. You’re even wrong about candidates needing to be “pre-approved,” that was true in some cases and false in others, and even if it was true in all cases it doesn’t mean popular support for removing fascists is somehow support for genocide.
Seriously, touch grass. You don’t have to read, or learn about history, as long as you make an effort to touch grass at this point.