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Funny. All capitalism did to me was turn me socialist.
I’m that too, but I’m definitely addicted to a lot of things and capitalism exploits the human brain’s love of dopamine, since it’s an easy way to keep us consuming
Socialist = Freeloader🙃
Capitalist = Exploiter /j
But I want to give away my work for free for the betterment of humanity, as long as I get a reasonable standard of living in return.
Does it make me a freeloader if I specifically want to remove my own possibility for becoming rich? As long as it’s ensured nobody will needlessly suffer?
Socialist = Freeloader🙃
I don’t suspect you’re someone who will debate in good faith, but I’ll bite anyway.
It’s actually the opposite, Capitalists are freeloaders because they only need to own, and because they own, they can extract from the value of the labor of other people.
If the means of production are shared among the laborers, then the laborers get to proportionally share the fruits of their own labor, without a freeloader owner skimming off without helping.
So here’s the thing, we live in a capitalist society, and that’s the reality I’m living in. We can sit here all day and debate it, but that will not change the facts, and until the rules change I will conduct myself as such.🤷🏾♂️
You haven’t contradicted anything I’ve said.
I agree, I also live in reality, in a capitalist society, with labor-exploiting ownership overlord freeloader elites, and I will happily call them out for it.
To put it another way…
There’s nohing to the debate. The opposing views would be the fantasy world that you want and the reality that I’m OK with living in.
and I will happily call them out for it
And that’s all what online leftism is about, being really loud online, and non-existent in real life.
That’s another reason not to even waste time debating as the only place I hear all the Marxist bullshit is online. Makes me wonder if all the chatter is coming from professional troll farms in nefarious countries.
You’re so mad lol. Are these “Marxist’s” in the room with us right now?
Mad lol, silly rabbit, I’m not a snowflake that gets affected by online conversations. Besides, what do I have to be mad about? I think society is just fine, you’re the one hoping for drastic change.🤷🏾♂️😉👍🏾
What do you call a billion-dollar company that gets government handouts then?
The cable company I work for!!!😃
Yeah thats what I figured. Loser.
Yeah thats what I figured. Loser with an awesome paycheck.
FIFY, I don’t care what you call/think about me. The only thing that matters is the cash flow, fuck everything and everyone else.🤑🤑🤑
Ah, nihilocapitalism. Figures. I spent some years in that hole.
I’ve since learned that socialism, and by extension caring for others, actually leads to more personal gratification in the long term. But we always knew the high road was the best road.
Saying you care VS actually helping people are two different things bruh. Caring doesn’t get homeless people off the street, caring doesn’t feed the hungry, caring doesn’t help people with their bills
So why don’t you stop astroturfing like you care online and get out there and actually help people.
PS: and if you do actually help people, then my message is intended at you.
Dogshit person working for a dogshit ISP/cable company.
Who could have guessed?
Dogshit person, making a good living working for a dogshit ISP/cable company that pays their employees well, and has a company wide starting rate of 25/hr. Who could have guessed?
FIFY, as long as the checks clear, I could careless if you like the company or not. 😘
Wow you’re so original and smart, I bet you even got a D in economics in high school!
Doesn’t matter what my grades were in school as long as I make it in my adult life.😘
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As a freelance writer I’ll usually avoid topics that fall into the “well d’uh” category.
Turns out I’ve been limiting my career path…
Capitalism turns people into addicts? No shit… that’s entirely the point of capitalism. It’s literally the defining characteristic.
Shit…I have an article in my hard drive right now about how our disposable approach to consumer electronics robs our generation of a sense of historical provenance.
I’ve never even considered publishing it because to me it falls into the “no shit… everyone already knows that” category.
No shit… that’s entirely the point of capitalism. It’s literally the defining characteristic.
Eh, not really. I mean, it pretty much is now, but as the guy in the article says, it’s fundamentally different to sell juul than it is to sell like shovels or some regular product.
You can get shovels just fine under communism, because they’re a useful utility.
I would have to agree, prioritizing desire over utility tends to be a uniquely capitalist trait.
prioritizing desire over utility tends to be a uniquely capitalist trait.
I don’t think that’s necessarily true either but that’s not the original claim. The original claim is the whole point of capitalism is turning people into addicts or praying on their addiction. I don’t really think that’s true. It may be some of the point, but I don’t think it was as bad as it currently is until very recently.
I think it’s a relatively new phenomenon that has to do with weaponizing recent scientific advances in knowledge of human psychology and neuroscience. We didn’t always know why gambling was addictive to people, but now we do, and what this guy is terming limbic capitalists take special care to weaponize that new knowledge against us (for instance, using smart phones).
Think “gamification”… That just wasn’t really a thing 30 years ago. That’s what the author is saying. Decades ago it was maybe cigarettes and alcohol. Now you have drug companies pushing prescriptions, Facebook and shitter tweaking algorithms for “engagement”, and even just the whole smartphone ecosystem in general: notifications and micro transactions.
I kinda agree with you but don’t.
Capitalism is about maximizing profit.
Which isn’t technically the same as “turning people into addicts”.
But maximizing profit is mathematically about maximizing sales and profit margins. Which is most powerful when maximizing demand or desire. The most potent form of demand is addiction.
So addiction isn’t necessary a design purpose of capitalism, but it’s emergent.
And it’s not new, it dates back to the 1700’s: https://www.etymonline.com/word/addiction
Government regulations combat capitalism exploiting addiction with varying success in verying industries over the last several hundred years.
I think we fully agree. I mean there were things like trading companies selling opium to villagers as well to reference a historical example.
I just think what he’s calling limbic capitalism is way more prevalent in the range of sources it comes from and who the targets are.
I think summarily what’s changed is that in centuries past people didn’t gather round a conference table with an understanding of human psychology and nuero science and ask each other, “how can we get 5 year olds addicted to our iPhone game?”. And while it’s likely a slight exaggeration to say they’re literally doing that now…I don’t think it’s very far off.
Yup I think we fully agree.
our disposable approach to consumer electronics robs our generation of a sense of historical provenance.
let me have it doc, you’ve found your audience
Has never gone through the proper final edit. But my central thesis came when I was watching Antiques Roadshow and my brain tried to reconcile a pocket watch carried by a civil war soldier; engraved and handed down through generations until it lands in a museum in 2021 (when I began working on the article).
While in comparison, a modern smartwatch, that literally no one cares about once the company stops supporting it with software updates.
Certainly there are modern objects that will find a home in the museums of tomorrow (the first iPhone, for example). But as a writer (who went to university initially for archaeology) interested in artifacts from daily life, our generation’s place in the museums of the future is effectively erased because we have nothing to preserve that anyone would honestly give a damn about.
By creating a world dominated by disposable things, companies have effectively taken control of our very legacy. If the only item worthy off being studied is one of corporate significance (the first iPhone, the first smartwatch, etc…), then we lose our personal connection to that legacy.
It’s obviously more complicated than all that, and delves into how we study the techniques of individual potters and painters, for example. If I ever get it publication ready it would be a miracle.
I can’t get over “d’uh”. Where on earth did you get the idea an apostrophe is needed? I’ve seen all sorts of weird spelling and punctuation but this is a first for me.
Trump killed any dopamine hit I could get from social media. That shit lead straight to depression.
In fact there is very little that even excites me beyond sports, but I’m a Broncos fan so no dopamine hits there.
Lucky I have hobbies and Colorado is awesome or lide would be pretty terrible.
Dopamine hits are definitely a path to depression.
Immediate gratification, especially if it’s semi-randomly applied, rewires the brain to specialize it for low-effort-low-reward activities, which basically makes success in the real world less likely, making the real world overwhelming, leading to a partial freeze response which is aka depression.
Going from a top ten President in Obama to the worst of all time will do that.
Not really. I recommend reading Man’s Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl for a powerful discussion of the decoupling of circumstances and spirit.
Long story short is the horrors we’ve all experienced under Trump are nothing compared to the horrors our brains evolved to handle.
At least you’ve got Coach Prime to keep things interesting at the moment
I doubt they will beat Oregon or USC, but it’s fun to see Colorado good again. I did my Masters study a CU bit they were not great for a long time.
Watching the NFL yesterday for the first time in a few years, I was blown away by how much it’s just a mechanism for pushing gambling addiction and alcoholism.
Sports in general has a lot of that.
It does, but I think the NFL is the worst for it. It not only has a lot of commercials, but there’s sponsors all over everything.
The moment that made me realize just how bad it had gotten was watching a sportscenter knockoff as pre-game coverage for the night game, the entire screen was wrapped in a “Draft Kings” thing that the hosts referred to multiple times.
There’s another article I’ll drop here that talks about how cigarette manufacturers, once their addictive schemes were found out, went on to make Kraft Foods and Nabisco (who make oreos). Using their background in peddling addictive substances, they utilized the same model by creating “hyper palatable foods.” basically, foods full of carbs and sugar, that trigger the dopamine response in your brain.
This means they were able to make Oreos as addictive as cocaine.
They drove people to early death from lung cancer, emphysema, and COPD, and when their scheme was found out, they started driving people to early death from diabetes, heart disease, and every other condition that obesity exacerbates.
There are currently class action lawsuits going after opioid makers for their lies about the addictive properties of their drug (FUCK THE SACKLER FAMILY), why not these Kraft foods too?
They also went on to work for fossil fuel companies to use what they learned lying to the public about cancer and cigarette connection and used it for climate issues. One example was called I.C.E. who bought ads in magazines that showed a chicken holding a snowball and saying some crap like “global warming yet we had snow in July in …” They had their memos leaked and you can read them all describing how they need to target groups especially men aged 40+ because they are easy to persuade. They thought so little of the people who ate up their gimmicks
Turning? This has been the goal and process for a long, long time.
Marketing corps are pretty effective and quite predatory…ACT NOW ONLY 5 LEFT IN STOCK.
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If that works on someone, it’s not because the marketer is smart, but because they know how to cast their net where the dumb fish are.
Yea, but it’s more devious than that. Technology making it possible micro target groups and individuals get kinda scary. If I know enough about you, I can almost convince you if anything. All top tier marketing peeps know this.
get kinda scary
Only if you are of the mindset that it is bad originally. It’s like how Tucker Carlson can make immigrants seem scary.
If I know enough about you, I can almost convince you if anything
This is not how targeted ads work, and doesn’t really seem to be true. It stands to reason that a lot of progressive young people know a lot about their conservative parents or grandparents and yet cannot convince them of anything.
Read up on Cambridge Analytica.
I’m well aware of Cambridge Analytica and it seems you are not. They did not mind control people.
They simply had insider knowledge on where to toss their nets.
Sure thing.
That is what they want.
Capitalism is based on addiction… Sugar, tobacco…
Material gang stand up
And here I thought it was all the heroin I’d been injecting. Although I guess I buy that with money…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Think, for example, of all the apps and platforms specifically designed to hijack our attention with pings and dopamine hits while harvesting our data.
I spoke to Courtwright about the problems this has created, why the battle against limbic capitalism is seemingly endless, and if he thinks we’re destined to live in a consumerist dystopia.
But what’s happened in the last 100 years or so is that more of these commercial strategies come from highly organized corporations that do very sophisticated research and find more ways to market these addictive goods and services.
So again, the demand, “I’ve got to eat something,” was always there, but what the processed food industry does, because it’s so competitive, is create products that will provide the calories and nutrients in ways that act like mood-altering drugs.
Sure, everyone needs to eat, but not everyone needs to tweet or buy 13 pairs of sunglasses or own a closet of products that add nothing to their life apart from marking their identity and status for other people.
And we have tax policy, we have potential structural limitations, we have lawsuits and big class action cases that pose serious problems for American limbic capitalists.
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That is the intent, and I know it is getting to me, I can’t see someone eating a burger without needing to get fast food brand.
Joke on them i’m already an addict
