I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of ‘hitlerites’
I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?
You don’t think it’s important to consider that the specific life expectancy you reported as a cause of Socialism was in-fact during World War II, when the Nazis invaded the Ukrainian SSR (the whole USSR’s breadbasket at the time), deliberately starving the populace in an attempt to weaken them? Where the Nazis torched the land they took and destroyed so many buildings that the Soviets were forced to mass produce the “Soviet Bloc” style apartments in order to provide housing after the war? Slavic people were considered genetically inferior by the Nazis and were subject to genocide.
As for the “human waves” tactics, reports of such originate with Americans that went into Russia during the Civil War in order to support the fascist White Army that wished to reinstate the Tsar. Not only is this a dubious source at best, historians agree that during World War II Soviet Tactics were roughly on par with the Nazis. The “Human Waves” myth has always drawn on racism, trying to draw parallels between the asiatic slavic peoples and the idea of the Mongol Horde, a propaganda tactic employed by Goebbels.
There was famine in the USSR, during the 1930s and during World War II. Outside of those periods, food became far more secure over time, as collectivized agriculture was better than the previous system.
As for comparing to thr US, that’s akin to comparing a trust fund kid to someone who grew up poor. The United States began the 20th century as one of the most developed countries in the world, while Russia began as a semi-feudal backwater. In the mid 20th century, the US began to profit massively off of World War II, while the Eastern Front saw 80% of the total combat in the entirety of the war. To compare the two directly is just bad science.
As for Marx and Engels, they would see the analytical tools and analysis of Capitalism and classes being used in the Soviet Union and would have generally approved. Today, they’d see the various Marxist states like Cuba, China, and Vietnam learning from the successes and failures of the Soviet Union and likeky approve as well. However, such a thought experiment doesn’t mean much, as Marx was no prophet nor a god, just a man who developed a brilliant critique of Capitalism, philosophical framework of Dialectical and Historical Materialism, and broadly described Scientific Socialism as opposed to prior Utopianism.