Cause we’re small but mighty
Reddit, eat ur heart out!
Reddit doesn’t care; they sold out.
Oh, they care. Their IPO is gonna get halved, if not drawn and quartered
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It’s totally replaced reddit for me. Every community I’m interested is smaller than I’m used to, but much more positive. It’s cool even seeing a lot of the same names occasionally as I navigate around the site.
I hope it keeps this level of quality as it grows.
What’s really cool is seeing actual conversations taking place. I’m actually able to comment here and I’m not immediately being drowned out by being one of ten thousand comments or constant contrarian trolling.
It has also totally replaced Reddit for me. It reminds me a lot of the old internet and a bit of early Reddit. It’s a really cool experiment, and if it continues as-is I will be thrilled, and if not then I will forever have a sense of pride of what everyone here accomplished. It’s very cool.
Yeah, I never feel like I’m commenting/posting into the void. By my surprise, it has actually encouraged me to post more, which isn’t something I expected when I joined Lemmy, and definitely not something I ever did on reddit.
My dude, you and Stamets are my Lemmy heroes. I can’t imagine I’d spend that much time on Lemmy if you guys weren’t around.
Haha, I’m glad! I know I post a lot of memes in general, but Risa is by far my favorite community on lemmy. The more people that get into Star Trek, the better, I say!
I’ve always been such an admirer and peruser of such a classic and timeless dialectical format. Its like constantly examining knowledge and each other and being likewise cross-examined in all the best ways
I honestly believe it has made me a much better writer and thinker although I have no pretensions about how systematic any of it is.
Edit: it can compel me to be hilariously nitpicky sometimes
Anything that makes you think critically, ponder, analyse, or absorb knowledge is a grand thing.
I just had an idea: daily Lemmy debates. We pick a topic that is relevant to the day, and we engage in healthy, respectful debate, picking a side and exploring that stance until all points of logic are exhausted.
Great idea. I also really liked Reddits’s KarmaCourt or whatever with the roles for Judge, prosecutor, defense, other officers of the “Court”, and jury etc. I love shit like that, its like the internet’s version of HarveyBirdman Attorney at Law. Oh, and SubredditSimulator is goddamn hilarious.
Good schtuff
I’d really love it if someone could prosecute me for something in KarmaCourt, I doubt they would prevail, unfortunatley for all of us :(
I really do hope Lemmy can become sufficiently populous to allow for revitalizing all the niche subreddits and perpetuate+encourage that knowledge dissemination and truth-seeking function that Reddit (the community of communities rather than RedditCo) tends to do stunningly well.
I made one of my favorite niche communities (on my Lemmy.world account), for the XCOM games. And I try to drop memes in a few other super niche communities that I’m interested in every so often.
Growth is slow, but a handful of very active users can contribute more than you’d think.
Just be careful. There’s some bad hombres out there spamming bad stuff and I don’t want any nice volunteers getting burned online or offline, if you catch my drift.
Same. Couldn’t have said it better.
Lawl I see your name EVERYWHERE! Good stuff all over.
Also a user named Ragnarok Online, which is a game that changed my life so much, I didn’t think I’d be around without it. He’s fantastic also.
Its insane how responsive and quick rhe answers pile up, asklemmy is the shit. Just asked a life or death question and already got lke r organic answers
I post and comment a lot, and it frequently leads to me having like 40-50 messages in my inbox if I don’t check for a few hours. I’ve even noticed a significant uptick lately, which is encouraging.
That can also be regulated to a certain extent at the Federation/instance level so its very possible to have different conventions or varying levels of quality control for posting and commenting
We can even have communities on similar topics with different vibes, moderating styles, etc. It’s great.
If you’re not calling groups like that “Cubes” in your community, do you even Star Trek?
The gaming communities are the only negative ones I have. It’s really sad, because I really want to be in gaming communities, but I just can’t stand all the negativity all of the time.
I’ve found that communities that are both mainstream and related to technical subjects to always get filled by people who know just barely enough about the subject to spread self-assured disinformation.
You won’t really have this problem with super-niche stuff, or stuff that isn’t mainstream enough like a pilot community. Gaming in social media is definitely cursed.
Yeah, it feels like gaming communities everywhere on the internet can be so toxic.
I’ve had better luck with comms focused on individual games, but their content is slow right now.
I’ve been trying out the other fediverse platforms, based on how cool Lemmy is, and they all pale in comparison. It really is a neat little thing we’ve got going on.
I really do like Tildes for certain more predictably high-quality answers when its something serious or technical but it can seem a touch heavy-handed. Ultimately, I appreciate the rigor where its important to have that and filter the memes and general+local
anaesthesianonsense we all love and know Lemmy for ;)Your post prompted me to have a look at Tildes. It looks alright, but a bit… dry.
Its not for everyone and that’s part of why its for me ;) Not that I’m elitist or anything, I just hate low-efforts and assholes, ne’r may the two meet here
Yes! Viva la difference! I like that there are a lot of options for everyone, I’d just like some more options that suited me.
J’adore le différance á Jacques Derrida
It can be. Women or queer persons can potentially have a tough time there, too.
Can you elaborate or link me to some corroboration of that—it seemed remarkably progressive and reasonable in my limited experience
So, here’s the thing. There’s a difference between a space allowing people that don’t look or act like the people already in the group and accepting those people. In some places, inclusiveness ends as soon as you get in the front door. Tildes is one of those places.
Now, don’t get wrong, I don’t think most of the people at Tildes are intentionally malicious or anything like that. And any large influx of people like the kind that would have happened with open registration after what went down on Reddit is going to cause mistrust and, sometimes, hostility. That’s just human nature. The difference is Tildes is intentionally protective of its culture.
This came about by both a) restricting the development of niche (or minority) communities, and b) limiting invites so that the small trickle of people who come in are assimilated more easily. That culture–like so many of these types of places–started with mostly white men of privilege from the tech sector. All the good and bad that comes with that is going to propagate in such an environment.
Even if Tildes didn’t originate in a culture that has a reputation for being homogenous and abrasive, this setup would still have lead to a certain type of group-think. Dismissive, and a little bit short on empathy and active listening. Martin Luther King Jr. talked about negative peace, where there wasn’t open hostility, just an absence of tension (as opposed to positive peace, which is the presence of justice). This is not dissimilar.
This comment chain on Tildes is an example someone else shared.
My only argument I wanna make here is nobody knew my race or identity when I even asked for and summarily received an invite to Tildes (almost instantly!)
Unless I’m making some perceptual or logical issue here, I would say that is a stark contrast to the vignette you sorta painted here.
Again, it’s not about who they let in. It’s about how they respond to conversation that doesn’t mesh with their ingrained culture.
The conversation I linked is all about that.
Ya, that post was pretty wishsy-washy and sweeping, people can make their points without needing to resort to identity politics to give credibillity to non-credible or insufficient arguments they want to toss out there. From my experience, I could argue any point from whatever lens you can think of and I believe I could receive votes and recognition. I can even swear because the force of my argument will be sufficient to excuse any nominal crassness that I strategically use to intensify the reasonable claim I ultimately make from the relevant or hypothetical vantage point in question.
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I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
What the heck happened tho? Did you do something or what do you think precipitated that?
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I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
You have an invite for Tildes?
I don’t know when I start getting them, I’m pree new
The tildes guy is on reddit and seems like a good dude, I bet you could ask for an invite. I can’t remember his name though, it begins with a d?
What’s Reddit? Is he on Lemmy?
Good point, I’m sure OP could write Tildes directly from the site if he wants to avoid reddit.
Ya, i really appreciate Tildes as kinda of a haven from any nonsense when I feel a bit more serious or inquisitive about something heady.
Dave-o?
Deimos?
How active is tildes? I never saw how many users it got.
Less is more with Tildes. Its definitely less rich in quantity than the overall tenor and quality of the specific discourse that goes on.
It’s only good because of all the hard work being put in by the moderators. Unfortunately, behind the scenes, Lemmy sucks and is severely lacking in moderation tools to deal with spammers, trolls and sick people who post illegal content.
See this post for instance, I feel pretty bad for the mods who have to deal with such stuff: https://beehaw.org/post/7943139
It’s not just the mods but the admins going to lengths to keep their instances clean. The awfulness outlined in that post means I’m not sure I should keep hosting my own instance.
Indeed, it’s not really a good idea to run your own instance if you’re not prepared to deal with such content. Many small instance admins have shutdown their instances for this very reason.
There was a patch merged recently which disabled caching of federated images, but I believe it still needs some work. Some discussion around that over here: https://sh.itjust.works/post/3962112 including an interesting comment suggesting rerouting
/pictrs/path to 404, so nginx won’t serve any images.Don’t, software is shit and you’re not prepared for what you’ll see and how much time you need to sink into that project.
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I am biased saying this, but I really don’t think Lemmy is bad behind the scenes. On the contrary, I think it’s revolutionary from a technological perspective, not only because of the Fediverse but because of the way it’s implemented and all the great new technologies used.
Keep in mind that this is a FOSS project, and there is obviously no budget to be hiring moderation teams for CSAM like software giants do.
CSAM was an obvious problem from the start, but when it comes down to it, it’s a moderator job and not a job for the actual software to do.
Thankfully there are new tools now to help moderators deal with CSAM that are possibly going to be incorporated to Lemmy afaik.
TLDR: Don’t blame the software for people being shit
Sorry, but I disagree. Note that I don’t disagree with the idea or the technology itself (and the concept of Fediverse), the problem is the current state of development. Saying that it’s the moderators job doesn’t absolve the responsibility of the software, when the software, in it’s current state, doesn’t really provide any decent tools for moderation and user access controls.
CSAM was never a problem on well-configured traditional forums, which were based on forum software such as Invision, vBulletin etc. To elaborate, in traditional forums, you’d get a LOT of controls for filtering out the kind of users who post such content. For instance, most forums won’t even let you post until you complete an interactive tutorial first (reading the rules and replying to a bot indicating you’ve understood them etc). On top of that, you can have various levels of restrictions, eg, someone with less than 100 posts, or an account less than a month old may not be able to post any links or images etc. Also, you can have a trust system on some forums, where a mod can mark your account as trusted or verified, granting you further rights. You can even make it so that a manual moderator approval is required before image posting rights are granted. In this instance, a mod would review your posting history and ensure that your posts genuinely contributed to the community and you’re unlikely to be a troll/karma farmer account etc.
So, short of accounts getting compromised/hacked, it’s very difficult to have this sort of stuff happen on a well-configured traditional forum.
I used to be a mod on a couple of popular forums back in the day, and I even ran my own server for a few years (using Invision Power Board), and never once have I had to deal with such content.
The fact is Lemmy, in it’s present state, is woefully inadequate to deal with such content. Dealing with CSAM should never be a volunteer mod’s job - that stuff can scar you for life, or even trigger PTSD/bad memories for those who might’ve suffered abuse in their forgotten past. If people are involved, it should be a job for professionals who’re trained to deal with this stuff.
Once again, I don’t disagree with the general idea or the concept of Lemmy, it’s just unfortunate timing the Reddit exodus happened when the software was essentially an alpha.
I agree that CSAM protection is lacking, but the software is not an alpha. As a platform I use it just as much as I used to use Reddit and usually it’s much faster, more enjoyable and not profit driven.
CSAM protection is essential, but it’s a very hard problem to solve and naturally it takes time. Feature wise though, it’s constantly improving and showing how powerful FOSS can be when enough people are interested in it.
I agree that CSAM needs to be fixed as soon as possible, I’m just pointing out that despite this huge problem, the software is otherwise doing very well and improving faster and faster as more people join in.
the software is not an alpha. As a platform I use it just as much as I used to use Reddit and usually it’s much faster, more enjoyable and not profit driven.
That’s because you’re only seeing it from the eyes of a user. Talk to any admin of a big instance and you’ll see how inadequate it is. Or just head over to Beehaw, they have made some very detailed statements on how much of a nightmare Lemmy is, and on the current bleak state of development.
Yeah I agree. Lemmy obviously isn’t at the level reddit is, but reddit has had nearly 2 decades of development with a larger userbase.
I certainly would like to see Lemmy development happen a bit more quickly, and in particular better 3rd party/mod tools (I REALLY want a RES for Lemmy), but I don’t think we’re in a bad place on the Lemmy timeline.
I’m just missing a solid Eyeblech here. I miss that the most from Reddit.
Be the change you want to see!
It’s quick and easy to spin up a community/sub!
Oh dear, I certainly hope I’m not involved in any eyeblech… stuff.
Also I think something like that would be defederated from most places.
I just think it’s neat.
I think that’s a bit of a dangerous take we need to address. There seem to be very real legal and practical risks + obstacles to safetly and effectively running an instance. I don’t want to see people getting themselves hurt or disillusioned prematurely because they had rose colored glasses about this subject
I hear that sometimes, but what legal stuff has actually happened ever?
I’m in the EU so of course I can get some notice of some sort I guess and that’s all fine, but as long as I don’t make money from it or are going illegal things all day long, what is this “hypothetical” danger?
I call BS, at least for the EU.
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Where were that? In the US?
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I answered that here: https://lemmy.ml/comment/3916556
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Goddam, I really hope I never come into contact with anything like that. I think it would turn me into a fanatical vigilante.
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Besides contributing actual code… not really. You can donate money which will help with the upkeep of servers, but that’s not really an issue with most instances. No amount of money can compensate someone (normal) for dealing with the trauma associated with such content. So yeah, the only thing that can really help right now is tools for moderation and user access controls.
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Honestly I think lemmy is kinda meh but im just here cus fuck reddit…
I agree, but I sometimes check out reddit as well and it’s also been meh now. It seems that social media as a whole is in a steep decline. No good content anywhere. Or maybe I’m just getting old.
This is a transition period.
Reddit lost a lot of important contributors during its little krystalspez crackdown. The formula for a successful, self-propagating online community is: good moderation + posted content + interesting comments + lurkers = healthy community.
Reddit still maintains a lot of its heavy posters, but a lot of the interesting comment makers have drifted off… a lot of them moved here. The federated communities don’t have the continuous churning content creators en masse yet, but they do have interesting comments coming from the people that are here.
Reddit is somewhat the opposite. The content creators are churning away, but the interesting comments are dying off. There is more content being created on Reddit, but the comment that you will quote, or think about all day, is now slightly more likely to be made in a federated thread.
So Reddit feels hollow, and out here feels growing but still light on content. I predict that prolific posters prefer pointed ripostes to their posting, and will work their way here. That will be great, but it will also drag along a lot of the problem children of reddit as well. That will put a huge burden on the moderation here, as well as start piling on those server fees. I predict in a year or two, we will face the choice of doing zany pledge drives to protect our larger servers, or face some forms of blatant monetization. Also we’ll have to figure out how to avoid giving the hug of death to new federated servers with interesting content.
…and there will be hidden corporate shill servers trying to latch in. Another problem with federation we need to consider down the road.
But it’s worth it. Capitalism will always try to exploit community, but community is an important human experience. If we can keep the leeches down to a minimum, we can build great things together, and help each other in a world that increasingly only offers what profits most. That type of community is what Reddit pretended to be, and it’s what the Federated Communities can be.
This is honestly a great observation, I’ve noticed on those rare times I need to search for answers to specific questions on reddit, posts have fewer and generally less thorough/helpful comments. The biggest downside to reddit imploding has been the decrease in “real” posts and interactions when you’re trying to find genuine discussions or answers to niche questions.
That’s the biggest reason I still think Lemmy has a ways to go, there’s not really an efficient way for all these posts to be search-indexed for engines like Google, DDG, etc. If that problem can somehow be solved, it’d do wonders for Lemmy’s discoverability.
Like you said, there’s definitely flaws to this platform, and by nature of being a community center it’s likely to be targeted for corporate interests, but the architecture of this Federated platform makes it much easier to keep power in the hands of the community and keep things genuine and interesting over here. I’m just glad I have a place to scroll through where people’s comments are longer than a few words, and people seem genuinely interested in interacting.
I think at some point we are really going to need to look at success stories like Tildes and HackerNews and find the common strategies we can employ to sustain the viabillity and legitimacy of Lemmy.
Tildes success stories
lmao
It is because it is basically self-sustaining, its already won me over with the quality and rigor of discussions (which exist), and guess what they don’t have problems with: moderation and CSAM issues, which Lemmy currently does (alledgedly).
We can argue over the semantics of “successfull” since its a vague overlapping conflation of quantitative and qualitative metrics, but let’s try to maintain a productive discussion about allies we can work with to improve our own platform.
Why do lemmy users keep ignoring the obvious success of Mastodon. Its clearly the most successful federated platform. We should be learning from Masto.
That too, yes definitely :)
What are lurkers for if there is no advertising?
I know we’ll win you over, with time 🤠
Just a heads up, this is how early reddit was. People will argue that the larger the platform the more likely the community will deteriorate. I will argue that is partly true and does contribute to enshittification of social media, but I think the main factor is the corporate greedos trying to continuously increase profit. Reddit kept making new rules and policies that kept degrading the platform. They made a toxic environment where flaming and antagonistic content would be shown on people’s feed.
Am I saying Lemmy isn’t awesome? Not really. You guys can make that conclusion. But I have seen similar posts like this in the early days of reddit. Make do of this as you want. Ponder and ask what made reddit bad and if this is the path of lemmy or it is “naturally” immune to it.
The federation aspect helps regulate. If it gets too bad, we could always go invite-only for certain periods to quiet things down a bit like Tildes insists on. Not the worst way to preserve access while limiting the bullshit
First weekend on Lemmy and I’m loving it.
I’m noticing a very strong hard-left bent though, which suits me just fine, but it’s interesting to see how progressive this space is
I think the center ain’t working for folks anymore
I disagree. Too many people take one side or the other, take for granted that their side is 100% correct, and refuse to believe anyone could possibly be center.
If one side says that I should be imprisoned or dead for existing, and the other says I should live not in prison or not dead, I choose life
Yes, but also not every issue is that.
Granted, I think center vs left is where meaningful policy conversation is happening… left vs right or center vs right is normally just painful
Center will gladly consolidate power with right if it conforms with their interests, they more frequently will make coalition with the right before they ever even communicate with the left Center has and will gladly overlook slavery if it conforms with their interests Center has always been complicit with overlooking genocide if they ‘don’t have skin in the game’ Center is LITERALLY THE REASON why Hitler was elected, the Weimar Republic was vaguely modern center and STILL VOTED HIM IN
Super important insight. Compromising on something that’s insane with 1/2 insane is not a choice at all, really, and is just plain unacceptable still.
When I wrote that I was internally mapping center to mainstream Democrats.
I think you’re putting that more at like Joe Manchin.
Still… in either case I think you’re out of your mind if you think anyone, except for the very furthest right white nationals, is willing to overlook slavery itself in 2023.
The comparison of “Center” as an abstract thing you’re tying to Hitler honestly comes off as unhinged.
Democrats are socially center-left and economically center-right If there is a conflict with a social topic and an economic one, they will USUALLY FAVOR the economic one
Assuming everybody who votes differently from you or is in the opposing party is exactly the same is just as harmful as taking for granted that everything everybody on your side does or says is 100% correct. This binary view of politics has been exacerbated by social media, and it is doing a lot of harm. Both sides are basically at the point where they’re convinced that the other side wants them dead. It’s fucking crazy.
Tom MacDonald - “The System” gets it just about correct IMO.
That song is spot on. They’ve successfully turned the people against each other to the point where anyone who criticizes the side they picked gets written off as a nazi.
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I dunno if you have payed attention to politics recently but “we need to exterminate the trans agenda and the people who spread it” ain’t exactly anyone misconstruing what those people have been saying
And on the other side, ‘we need to murder all landlords’ also leaves a bad taste.
I’m not sure you know this, but housing is a NEED, and making it a tradable commodity that is affected by market trends tends to harm more people than it serves
First of all, not every conservative is a Trump supporter. Second, there are a number of loud liberals on TikTok who have said things like “cis people need to delete themselves.” It goes both ways.
Loud liberals on TikTok are not elected officials
There are 496 bills that are introduced to state legislatures all the way to passed in the united states, spanning every state
Loud liberals are saying illogical, irrational things loudly on a social media app
13 states have laws that specify trans people being murdered is not a crime if the murderer thought they were cis
People not in power in any part of the 3 branches of government said something mean
In a majority of states, trans individuals can be removed from/denied employment, housing, state assistance, medical care, or virtually anything involving a contract
Just because some people were mean in your direction does not mean that they have any meaningful power, and the people being handwaved off that actually have political power are actually doing the things that people are saying they’re doing
That is an unbelieveably black and white way to look at things, and doesn’t represent the real world at all.
The right wing equivalent would be; “One side wants me to have freedom to choose for myself, while the other wants to abort me before I’m even born.”
It always amazes me the extent to which people with such absurd reductionist hyperbole seem intentionally unaware of the extent to which there’s an exact mirror of oversimplification on the other side.
Absolutely. And if you agree with things from both… “sides”? then you’re a filthy CENTRIST who believes the worst things from both sides and deserve the gallows.
Why can’t my queer ass think guns are awesome like c’mon
Why can’t my queer ass think guns are awesome like c’mon
This exact combination has begun to break brains over here in such a manner as to be exactly like the old r/Politics that made r/liberalgunowners so lovely.
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People behave in normal distributions. By definition vast majority of people are in the centre. The extremists (outliers) scream the loudest and warp an observer’s perception but the actual population is still a normal distribution.
When has it ever, really?
This was before my political consciousness, but I feel like 1992 has an argument, but maybe that was just because of Perot…
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Progressives came here to build. The conservatives will be along to bitch about the place eventually.
Thare was exploding-heads.com instance, but they exploded.
Communists built the platform, and far left spaces fled here years before the rest of us, after Reddit banned some leftist subs.
I think some of them got established before the recent reddit exodus, so it kind of guided the political leaning.
The Politics@ communities seem to be doing their best to bring that back to the right, but yes, outside of that it’s leftist to a lovely degree.
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Just tilt your phone a bit to the right maybe that helps? 😁
One of my favourite things about reddit was that I could sort by controversial, and would often find a reasonable take explaining the view of the opposing side. Even when I don’t agree with it, I still want to hear it, and what I often found the case to be is that I didn’t quite agree with either sides and (unsurprisingly) the thruth is somewhere on the middle.
On Lemmy this often is not the case and I pretty much only hear one side of the argument and not many bothers to write a reasonable take arguing against the apparent view of the masses because it’ll just receive downvotes and bad faith counter-arguments. The extreme left is just as unreasonable as the extreme right and it’s often the majority in the middle who simply stays silent. There seems to be almost no space for nuance and complexity.
I’ve commented more here in this short time than my 10 years on reddit. I feel heard and I feel supported. Most people are civil and respectful and I really appreciate it. Thank you all.
Well fuck you then.
Well… that escalated pretty quickly
I definitely escalated real quick just now 💦
Heh
Same here and I love it!! This is not Reddit, this is Lemmy!
Federation is just complicated enough to keep the dummies out. Also probably defederating the idiot instances and better content moderation.
Not only that, but the community is small enough that large corporations and marketing companies don’t care about it. Yet ;)
I think this is the biggest reason. A huge amount of content on reddit is astroturfing / brand manipulation; both in posts and in the comments. And in addition to that, a there’s a huge amount of ‘karma farming’, where heaps of popular but low-effort content is recycled over and over again to gain points and create a sense of credibility for accounts that will later be used for marketing / manipulation.
And at that point we can defederate from corporate instances. Its so user first.
It’s not about corporate instances. It’s the bots and fake accounts/posts/comments. That’s one of the issues with Reddit. There are little authentic posts. Most of them are advertisements it just reposts to farm karma to avoid detection. It’s ridiculous.
You’re missing all the racism that’s come forth since mod tools were lost
It is, hopefully they get modded out
Which subs do you see this in?
I don’t understand the “it’s complicated” thing. Figuring out which instance to use was slightly confusing (I went with lemmy.world because it seemed to be the most popular at the time), but after that, it’s no more complicated than Reddit or any other social media site. Am I missing anything?
It’s the “slightly confusing” step that 80% of people don’t take.
Yep. Presenting the user with a choice that they don’t fully understand (which instance should I choose? What even is an instance?) is a very big deterrent.
Bigger deterrent is presenting real choice than one they don’t understand
No, you tried something new, the unknown did not dither you. Weirdly, that was the “complicated” barrier.
Ackshually so right about that. Don’t wanna be mean, but yeah, no.
Well, dummies is too strong a word tbh. its the people who didn’t take the 30 seconds to understand how they have been using e-mail, a federated service, their entire fucking lives and things worked well.
I, for one, try real hard. But thanks!
I actually don’t try very hard, probably coasting on your efforts. So thanks for that!
It takes three to Tango
I don’t try at all, I’ve just been drafting you
Whoever’s drafting you isn’t even going to reply, which is so them.
I confused. What does drafting you mean? I’m guessing you aren’t conscripting me into your team or Army…
In this case it’s referring to aerodynamic drafting, which is often used in various forms of racing. You let the person ahead of you fight the air resistance while following them closely behind so that you experience less drag.
Well I, for one, welcome our trier overlords
I love that there are so many geeks with such healthy understanding about the world.
Religion? Pff, everyone pro-atheism.
Climate change? Pff, everyone against corps.
Open source software & privacy? Pff, lots of suggestions od what to do and what NOT to do.
Lemmy is great.
I just wish there were more hobbyists among us. I barely see any writing or art content on here.
It seems is a lot harder to transfer a niche community that’s not directly predisposed to using tech alternatives. The general purpose communities are already great here.
I’m really not against going to church and being pro-social, as long as people are innoculated with critical thinking and common sense.
As a critical thinker, church is unlikely to be high on your list of socializing options - unless you’re conducting some kind of experiment.
Its not about the god stuff, its about community and getting out to meet and socialize with it. God is just the social lubricant in place of alcohol but lots of cool people, musicians particularly, younger people like myself to make friends, lunches, prizes, volunteering to help people in non-religious services, etc.
Don’t give a flying fuck about god, “he” is most likely nothing more than a simulacrum at this point (as he always was), its just good people and really accepting ones depending on the church. Mine def is
Man, I too would like to have a community gathering place, but the local church is super elitist and the priest is a conservative dickhead, so while I would have imagined that churches would not be like that, many alienate potential community members :/
I’d love for people to understand that depending on your area, there might be multiple churches and its really a process of trial and error to find the right fit. Personally, non-denominational is the way to go and it helps if they have a good, modern worship section with cool instruments and a decent stage. I say this because its often representative of their approach to everything else, the more modern, generallly, the better.
This extends to their attitudes towards diversity (racially speaking) and tolerance towards LGBTQ+. I don’t want to get into identity politics because its a distraction and unnecessary to anything, particularly religious belief and functioning in the modern world.
Your church, like you, should not give a fuck who takes what body part where for sexual gratification or where one’s attractions lay, as long as it is truly and deeply consensual and its is not radically legally barred like with animals and children. I am not associating those latter two things to the former designations, a gay person or trans person can be entirely moral and logically consistent and valuable in the eyes of whoever or whatever god is for all poetic and practical intents.
Likewise with race, it is retarded to care avout what someone’s skin color or ethnic background is as long as they are peaceful and conduct themselves in a way that they are not corrosive to the society in question. It should not cost the people native to a place to accomodate the existence of that from another, particularly whenever it involves violent injury or displacement.
It is not wrong to require varying levels of scrutiny based on where someone came from for the reason that a culture and birth place, geographically speaking, has baggage and influences one’s attitude toward peaceful conduct and respect for bodily integrity and integrity of one’s holistic being. Cultures that are intolerant and deny the humanity and worthiness of others cannnot stand and should not be tolerated, not even a little bit. They must be allowed (and I would argue, even facillitated into) drive(ing) themselves into extinction and it is moral to allow them to do so while safeguarding one own society and private existence.
Having said all that, my original advice stands. As well, I wish more people would believe people when they show and tell who they are. You’ve correctly assessed the nature of the priest and you are likely correct to avoid him and that which he represents. If you can drive and there are other churches around somewhere, I would suggest you check those out. But there are also virtual services offered by many churches and if I can do so without doxxing myself, I will think on how to help you with that. But in person for fellowship and involvement in the community are foundational to the experience and I would implore you to be creative and find a way to find a good place and to make it possible to attend directly.
Please take care and I’ll try to help any way I can.
Try looking into the Unitarian, Episcopal or United Church if Christ as all three tend to be more progressive if you want a community that is likely to not be as conservative. The Episcopal church, of the three, is more likely to have a conservative element as it was the “elite” denomination for centuries.
I wish this was possible without the whole god thing. What do you do during prayers etc.? Whenever I’ve attended a baptism or a funeral or some such, all I can think about is how much mana the priest is using when casting the bless on the audience. It gets so awkward.
What is mana? Is that like some RPG thing?
Yes, I thought all magic works like that.
As a church enjoyer, I feel very othered right now. Can we go back to the vibe of OP’s indiscriminate joy and excitement?
As someone who sees religion as a scourge on society and the unfettered, tax-free existence of churches as little more than a symptom, I wasn’t crazy about the possible implication that church attendance was required in order for one to be considered prosocial.
I do if its a badly-behaving church that is doing that crap, otherwise they can really be a positive fixture of the community if its done right
Trust me, he’s the other. God love 'em ;)
Aww, you went and ruined it. Come awnnn
I’m amazed these days at how acute my “bullshit-o-meter” is. Its pretty fucking hard to run any bullshit past me most days as of late. This format really is brain candy for my personality and knowledge aquisition
Lemmy has been helping me lots. Been feeling so isolated, this is the first social online platform I’ve been able to participate in years. Talking to actual humans. Being able to help other humans.
Giving you a non-creepy internet stranger hug.
Hell ya, party on, bruh
Hello Pi :)
Welcome! It might be doomsday outside, the roof of this place is leaking and might be close to caving in, but I’m glad you are here in this corner of the Internet with us today. ❤
Its kind of funny and interesting, there a few big players in the Fedi, and for the most part, we all try and get along.
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Pi is listed to 90 decimal points, taped to wall across from bed. I recite it over and over when going to sleep. =)
I agree, 100%. I never posted on other social media platforms until trying Lemmy, Mastodon, or Firefish. I find the fediverse is a really pleasant experience as long as the instance moderates can keep up with the spam, trolls, and other unwanted content. I think it’s because it’s not trying to commercialize the platforms that makes it more interesting and pleasant, at least for me.
Bc the people who really cared for a newer better platform migrated.
Noo YOU’RE awesome. Hugs for everyone!
Geh on mai belleh!
I think we’re all wholesome humans/ bros/ sis/ y’alls.
cheers!
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It does feel more like the old alien place before it became mainstream. I’d bet there are a lot of those old users that felt disenfranchised by the low quality bot voted stuff that moved to the various servers here.
Unlike places like Tildes which essentially has been trying to recreate the alien experience, lemmy provides a new layer as well with the fediverse.
Tildes is nice in a different way, scratches a bit different of an itch. They alrigh
