For context, we’re both past the 30-year mark, with myself in my mids and him pushing 40. We’ve known each other from Uni, have been best friends since, and the entire thing pretty much turned into a siblinghood, with his family sort of “adopting” me (I’m perpetually invited to all of their family events and gatherings, his parents love having me around, etc.) We’ve been there for eachother through some of our worst times, and we got along really well.

That is, until the Pandemic hit. This has been going on for a while now, but it started getting more pronounced during the Pandemic, when he went from sharing edgy memes to expressing belief in the principles behind those memes (think “I identify as an attack helicopter,” “immigrants are exclusively to blame for the downfall of countries,” 4chan type jokes about minorities, etc.).

On my end, I tried to discuss these things with him at first, trying to get a sense of why he was doubling down on these things, and the closest I could come to understand it is that it’s a relatively irrational fear, fuelled by his tendency to not really explore the veracity of the news he reads - as an example related to his transphobia, it’s like he refuses to accept that sex and gender are not inextricably linked to one another, not on a logical basis, but on a “I feel this is incorrect” basis.

Things got pretty tense back in 2022, when I felt the need to call a time off on our friendship for almost an entire year. I just couldn’t play it cool when he randomly blurted out something profoundly inconsiderate and devoid of empathy. Conversations turned from heated debates to outright arguments, I could tell that the gap was widening with every subsequent one, and his beliefs seemed to solidify.

We reconciled in 2023 after his wife reached out to me expressing regret that we would lose the friendship over “politics,” tried to get back to acting normally around one another, yet the same issues popped up again. This time, with even less empathy. The most recent example was when we both learnt that Trump got elected president again. I expressed a sense of empathy and regret for all of the people who would no longer be allowed to get abortions, the risk he posed to HRT beneficiaries, the danger he posed to all minorities, etc. The only thing he could come up with is “I feel nothing, they deserve it. Did it to themselves.” I called him out on his utter lack of empathy, we had a brief, but poignant argument, and now we’ve barely been talking for two weeks. He periodically drops a message like nothing happened, but I am beyond hesitant to reply. Everything is cold and superficial.

Now, I tried to understand him and his situation… He’s a relatively fresh father (his daughter is 2 years old), he is aware of the fact that the world isn’t doing too well, but seems to be in denial about it which I sort of understand as being a method of self-protection, but I just cannot abide by his views anymore. No amount of panic or self-defence justifies this in my opinion.

I just don’t know what to do. I mean, I do know, or at least my subconscious does, but… I don’t know, guess the age and depth of our friendship makes me hesitant to drop it, although this is just the sunk cost fallacy at play… The fact that I feel I’m past my socialite days and knowing that I probably won’t make any more friends any time soon doesn’t much help, either.

Guess I’m just looking for confirmation around what I already know is the only option…

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    Classic case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g

    Unfortunately, if he cannot be reached and is not susceptible to any reason, then I’m afraid there’s not much you can do, other than making a decision for yourself and what’s best for you. Ultimately you cannot help people who don’t want the help. And as it stands, it seems like he turned into a terrible person, or somehow ended up showing his true colors. Either way, the conclusion to make would be the same. I was in a similar situation with my mother, ultimately had to cut her out of my life for my own sanity and mental well being. Being alone sucks, but is not that bad and definitely better than being surrounded by toxic people, and there’s always a chance to meet new people if you make an effort for it.

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      It’s so weird… I mean, we both used to go on /b/ back in Uni, but I always went there as a sort of… horror tourist, if that makes sense - to simultaneously laugh at the absurd closed-mindedness and hate and to study what people can become when under the protection of anonymity. I never actually thought he took anything seriously, and it’s been such a long time since then.

      He’s not horrible, he’s… I don’t know how to put this, like an aggressive defensiveness of sorts. And, I mean, I get it, he had a kid just as the world was shown to be sinking and people started going nuts, they’re having financial issues like most of us. Add to that the “standard” fatigue which comes with having to care for a very smart kid, and I get why he’d close himself off to the world and to his empathy. But instead of looking at the actual problems, it’s like he’d rather blame the easiest targets for it. Which is why I frequently got contradicting ideas from him, and which is why I’m so confused about our friendship… It frequently feels like I’m talking to my granddad, who was one of the staunchest, most aggressive Conservatives I’ve ever met…

      Truth is, I don’t even know what is and what isn’t getting through to him. For instance, one day we can concur that Late Stage Capitalism is the cause of, let’s say, 85% of contemporary problems, the next it’s “people are suffering because they don’t man up and deal with it” (not the “let’s rise up and change things” kind, the “swallow it down then BAU” kind)…

      Edit after watching: exactly as I was thinking that maybe I should stick by him and try to pull him away from the danger, the video punched me right in the gut with pure truth… I fucking hate living in this country, it feels like it’s taking everything truly important away from me…

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        Yeah, it’s like there is 2 ways you can go when trying to continue being able to be happy. You either choose to focus only on what you can change and try not to think about stuff that you can’t have any effect on anyway, or if you can’t limit the scope of your empathy, then you just have to shut it off entirely. Limiting the scope is more work, and you are still constantly susceptible to sad things, but you retain your humanity. And are capable of some amount of happiness. Shutting it down completely is easier, but then you slowly morph into a monster.

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          Wanna know something ironic? It was his wife who gave me the push to actually embrace my empathy.

          My mental health was like String Theory for a while: “we’re pretty sure something is there, but we’ll get back to you in a decade or three.” It got so bad, that I started spiraling down the I Don’t Care route just to detach from my feelings. His wife told me “why do you say you don’t care when you obviously do?” That stuck with me and it brought me back from nihilism, motivating me to pour all of the energy I could into caring, into facing and understanding the discomfort, hell, even starting to study politics!

          And now, when I’m fully dedicated to my caring about everything I find valuable, they both tell me I care too much…