I understand that message so that they are providing a messaging service for a fee to police forces. I don’t think they meant that they send encrypted data to them for money.
“Yes, we fund Matrix dev by selling encrypted messaging to governments, which includes police: if you don’t like that then please feel free to use a different app.”
Idk that seems pretty clear to me that they are selling encrypted messages to governments and police. Not only that all the comments interpret it the same way.
EDIT: The more I read it the more I become unsure. Hopefully they elaborate. To me I am confused at the service they are selling. Matrix is open source these organisations could dedicate their own employees to spin it up. Do they have somewhere you can purchase the same service? The phrasing is what gets me. It feels like they are referring to already sent messages and data. If they were referring to a service they provide, that should be clearly stated.
Indeed, now rereading it I understand ypur uncertainty. It would be best if they would clarify it.
I still think they’re selling the service (the Element One SAAS thing), but with this wording they could point to this toot if something changes in the future to that end
Matrix is open source these organisations could dedicate their own employees to spin it up
sure but a lot of companies don’t want to deal with that, especially non-tech companies. also, look at how popular aws/azure/google cloud is, but also teams, zoom and the whole google suite. Companies love it when it just works, without them needing to pay someone (ideally multiple employees) to keep it operational and up to date. Also, Element One employees will basically always have more experience in maintenance than your own admins.
Do they have somewhere you can purchase the same service?
You can see Element’s paid service offerings at https://element.io/pricing; their use cases for police is at https://element.io/sectors/interoperable-blue-light-emergency-services. Yes, it’s a bit confusing to have both b2b and b2c under the same brand, but they do mean “the ability to encrypt communication within” and not your messages, similar to Slack’s model. I’d also expect the community to catch any call-home attempt.
I understand that message so that they are providing a messaging service for a fee to police forces. I don’t think they meant that they send encrypted data to them for money.
“Yes, we fund Matrix dev by selling encrypted messaging to governments, which includes police: if you don’t like that then please feel free to use a different app.”
Idk that seems pretty clear to me that they are selling encrypted messages to governments and police. Not only that all the comments interpret it the same way.
EDIT: The more I read it the more I become unsure. Hopefully they elaborate. To me I am confused at the service they are selling. Matrix is open source these organisations could dedicate their own employees to spin it up. Do they have somewhere you can purchase the same service? The phrasing is what gets me. It feels like they are referring to already sent messages and data. If they were referring to a service they provide, that should be clearly stated.
Indeed, now rereading it I understand ypur uncertainty. It would be best if they would clarify it.
I still think they’re selling the service (the Element One SAAS thing), but with this wording they could point to this toot if something changes in the future to that end
sure but a lot of companies don’t want to deal with that, especially non-tech companies. also, look at how popular aws/azure/google cloud is, but also teams, zoom and the whole google suite. Companies love it when it just works, without them needing to pay someone (ideally multiple employees) to keep it operational and up to date. Also, Element One employees will basically always have more experience in maintenance than your own admins.
I don’t understand this one. Could you elaborate?
You can see Element’s paid service offerings at https://element.io/pricing; their use cases for police is at https://element.io/sectors/interoperable-blue-light-emergency-services. Yes, it’s a bit confusing to have both b2b and b2c under the same brand, but they do mean “the ability to encrypt communication within” and not your messages, similar to Slack’s model. I’d also expect the community to catch any call-home attempt.