You’re old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker – YOU’RE going to be “ok.” Everyone else is fucked.

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    I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.

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      Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the “left” voters who failed them :

      1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.

      2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.

      3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?

      4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.

      5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.

      6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.

      7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?

      8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.

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        None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.

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          Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !

          Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.

          You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can’t see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.

          The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that’s the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.

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            Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran

            Citation fucking needed.

            she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.

            That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.

            If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test “low yield” nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

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          And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc…

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            Which of the points do you feel are not correct ?

            Could you elaborate on it ? Otherwise I can’t really motivate and explain them.

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                I mean, you joined in on people having a discussion/debate on why Kamala lost, said some of the points are not valid and then refused to explain which point or why.

                I guess you do you but we are still left wondering what could possibly be wrong about the original message for you.

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                  Hey you got what you wanted, and you got to post a lengthy manifesto about it. I don’t feel obligated to give you more of my time than I already have.

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      No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.

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        We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.

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          Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.

          More important to have a Chad than anything.