• PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    66·
    6 days ago

    No, wanting one specific group that you refuse to save you from fascism, even though you offer them nothing, is fucking entitled.

    That we refuse to save?

    I’m sure you have a great screed ready about how both sides are the same, but considering that one side just won, you shouldn’t be bothered in the least.

    You want to be pandered to, and think that’s what involvement in an election is about, not the exercise of political power by the citizenry. You had power. You did nothing with it. You stood by as fascism swept into stronger positions. And you fascist-enablers absolutely deserve a share of the blame.

    Have fun with yourselves, Zentrum.

    • pjwestin@lemmy.world
      82·
      6 days ago

      Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder? I’m not a god Damn political party that spent $7 billion this election, and I don’t get to dictate the Democratic strategy.

      I actually don’t think both sides are the same, but you’re welcome to go through my comment history and check that. You won’t find any both-sides comments, but you’ll find a lot of comments like, “Harris needs to distance herself from Biden’s position on Gaza,” and, “campaigning with Republicans is going to depress progressive turnout.” But again, I’m not the God damn DNC, so I didn’t get to make that choice. I do have to sit with the consequences, but I’m not going to sit with the blame.

      It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you. And if you are going to pander to the center, you better be able to win with the fucking center.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
        45·
        6 days ago

        Oh, I had the power to stop this? Really? Cause I fucking voted for Harris, even though there was a 0% chance my state would go red. What else did you want me to fucking do? Vote harder?

        No, you aren’t at fault, then. But fascism-enablers who refused to vote and beat the “BOTH SIDES ARE THE SAME” drum absolutely are, and playing defense for them is inexplicable.

        I actually don’t think both sides are the same,

        Then the Democrats certainly had plenty to offer the left. It’s just that the left decided it wasn’t enough.

        It’s this fucking simple; you don’t want to, “pander,” to the left? Then don’t assume the left is going to save you.

        I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals. If one says, “I’m not going to pick the side closer to me because it doesn’t give me enough asspats or fuzzy feelies”, they’re treating politics as a personal and spiritual experience, not an actual, practical exercise of power.

        • pjwestin@lemmy.world
          61·
          6 days ago

          I would put this differently - if you need to be pandered to, you aren’t treating your political power seriously - or worse, you’re treating it selfishly. As political agents, every voter has the power to sway the election, some small amount, towards or away from their own ideals

          Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids. You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them. And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.

          • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
            33·
            6 days ago

            Wow, this would be a great point, except voting isn’t mandatory, or a federal holiday, and mail in voting is restrictive in many states, and sometimes people have to wait hours in poll lines, and leave work early, and find people to watch their kids.

            Yes, I’m sure those were the motivations of many of those people who spent large amounts of time and energy beating the “BOTH SIDES ARE BAD” drum and cast their vote for the PSL or Greens.

            You’re not asking to check a box, you’re asking them to sacrifice time and even money to show up for you, and if you’re going to do that, you have to motivate them.

            I guess “not living under a fascist regime” isn’t very motivating for them. Very curious.

            And if you’re first reaction this morning isn’t to be angry at the party for failing so spectacularly in motivating people, but instead to yell at fucking return2ozma, you’re really showing what you really think.

            My first reaction this morning was to be angry at the American people for giving 70 something million votes to Trump. My second reaction was to be frustrated that the Dem political machine snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again. Everything past that is just reacting to things as I see them, and seeing Ozma pissing about on here was quite visible when I finally opened up Lemmy.

            • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              3·
              6 days ago

              Who casted the vote for Greens and PSL? Those are a drop in the bucket to the clusterfuck of votes for Trump.

              If all Green and PSL voters went for Harris, she still loses in every state.

              I wanted Harris to win but damn.

              • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                22·
                6 days ago

                Yeah. Majority of the blame goes to non-voters. But the people on here were definitely calling for voting, just not against fascism.

                • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
                  4·
                  6 days ago

                  I can blame non-voters too. They saw what was coming and didn’t do anything. I voted Harris in California, she was never at risk of losing my state. I even skipped an all republican blanket primary as both were supported by trump or his allies.

                  But Lemmy had no say in the election, even if all the users here voted third party in North Carolina. No matter how much a Tankie says “Both sides” they can’t influence the population like that.

                  Reddit thought it could get Ron Paul nominated and Bernie to win. Lemmy has even less users, and reddit didn’t affect anything there.

                  • PugJesus@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    12·
                    6 days ago

                    No say is an exaggeration, but I was expecting this to come down to a small number of votes in a small number of states. While, practically speaking, the chance of that being within the range of Lemmy’s userbase, much less the Lemmy userbase in that state, is small, it is not impossible. But it wasn’t even close.

                    I was prepared for the electoral college to disappoint me like this, but not the American electorate. Fuck’s sake.

            • pjwestin@lemmy.world
              42·
              6 days ago

              My first reaction this morning was to be angry at the American people for giving 70 something million votes to Trump. My second reaction was to be frustrated that the Dem political machine snatched defeat from the jaws of victory again.

              Yeah, I’m still waiting to see any of these reactions, but I get the impression it’s just gonna be you punching left.