The original french post that motivated hexbear’s decision : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685

There is already various posts here giving us reasons to defederate them, one of them calling to violence against french :

https://jlai.lu/post/11622072?scrollToComments=true

On jlai.lu :

Dessalines, one of Lemmy main developper is taking part :

Some of hexbear supporter denying being part of an attack without any apologies :

Should we support Lemmy or migrate to another software as Mbin, piefed, sublinks ? Time will tell.

Mbin

Piefed

Sublinks

  • RunawayFixer@lemmy.worldEnglish
    221·
    6 hours ago

    As Hexbear becomes increasingly isolated, more and more of their users will start making accounts on other instances. After migrating, they’ll still have their toxic post truth discource, but they’ll be harder to identify at a glance. I’m definitely not against cutting ties with Hexbear, I was in favor of it when Lemmy world did it. But now I’m dreading the thought of those users trickling back into my feed one by one. For my personal Lemmy experience, the existence of Hexbear was great in that it kept so many toxic people contained in a place away from me.

    • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
      5·
      2 hours ago

      If they join another instance, they will not benefit from as much local support, the social pressure will eventually discourage them, and they will probably just go back to using only their local bubble.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldMEnglish
      16·
      5 hours ago

      Deplatforming works. Some Hexbear users might trickle away, but the inconvenience of needing two accounts discourages most of the casual dogpile trolls.

    • Barbarian@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      17·
      5 hours ago

      I highly doubt there’s much more migration than before. Hexbear existed as a standalone site with no federation for years before the reddit apiocalypse caused the mass migration to Lemmy.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      10·
      5 hours ago

      They already do that. They do it a lot on Reddit.

      I know some of them who have like five reddit alts they cycle through in a single week. Truly bizarre

      • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
        72·
        6 hours ago

        It’s open source, yeah, but is there much of a future in it? Lemmy as a whole doesn’t make a whole lot of original content.

          • Snoopy@jlai.luOPEnglish
            31·
            5 hours ago

            True and i wrote this post, so i also play a part in this. I’m pondering. We could fork it and separate politic and software. We can also choose our server wich is awesome and thank to Lemmy’s dev.

            Currently, i’m hesitating because Dessalines is the admin of Lemmy.ml, even tough it’s not the biggest instance i consider it as the flagship instance of lemmy.

            We did the same debate long ago on Reddit and Lemmy.world. I’m switching my opinion because of Dessalines’s participation. I’m less neutral about it.

            Another reason, i think those software, even if piefed and sublinks are still beta, are better than Lemmy.

            • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
              5·
              4 hours ago

              Another reason, i think those software, even if piefed and sublinks are still beta, are better than Lemmy.

              Regarding apps support alone Lemmy is miles ahead the others

              Edit: mobile apps

              • Snoopy@jlai.luOPEnglish
                2·
                5 hours ago

                I think there are Pros and Cons.They benefit from an huge community, there is lot help on their Matrix channel and we are available.

                I think Mbin has a strong support too. Other, aren’t ready for production (i haven’t tried to install one yet) but the way they present their project is crystal clear.

                Does Piefed also offer a good support if i take a glance on their communitie ?

                And the fact Piefed is working since the beggining on a moderation board show they understand well what is at stake on the web.

                We still can’t add moderator correctly and an admin can delete communities easily without warning.

    • Blaze (he/him)@feddit.orgEnglish
      6·
      6 hours ago

      definitely see Lemmy dying off with how shitty the devs are

      We had a similar conversation yesterday already, but I don’t get the hate towards them as devs. As instance admins, probably, but as devs, what better alternative do we have?

  • oce 🐆@jlai.luEnglish
    32·
    9 hours ago

    “reactionay” = going against their tankie ideology.
    Eventually, it’s a good thing they decide to delist the instance (while jlailu is discussing it too), it will reduce useless conflicts.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      19·
      6 hours ago

      I love it when they say reactionary. It’s the ultimate projection. Like reactionaries are exactly what they are, urging to return to Soviet-era communism.

      their only idols are long-dead dictators or people who want to return to how things previously were. Like Winnie the Pooh wanting Taiwan to return to China

      Reactionaries full and through

  • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
    12·
    9 hours ago

    What do they expect an admin to do with their user? It’s not our job to treat them like a school children.

    Also what’s the progress of sublink? Didn’t heard from it for a while.

    • Sjmarf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      2 hours ago

      Unfortunately it looks like SubLinks is mostly dead. They haven’t made any changes to the code since August

    • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
      7·
      7 hours ago

      What do they expect an admin to do with their user? It’s not our job to treat them like a school children.

      If not, then how come an admin can ban a user?

      • Annoyed_🦀 @monyet.ccEnglish
        2·
        6 hours ago

        Because they breaching the common rule? Or being a spam account? Being reactionary is usually not a ban-able offence, and we admin isn’t here to control and fine tune how everyone act to a specific way.

        I mean, if you or any other admin want to do that, feel free, but i ain’t got time for that, and i trust you adult for solving common conflict yourself.

        • Camus (il, lui)@jlai.luEnglish
          9·
          6 hours ago

          They called to violence and insulted our members several times in the first thread linked in the OP https://jlai.lu/post/11504685

          If Jlailu members had done the same on another instance’s meta community we would have acted on it.

          I see where you come from, we don’t monitor everything that our members do, but this was a large scale event with dozens of people taking part and 248 comments.

        • Snoopy@jlai.luOPEnglish
          4·
          5 hours ago

          Altought it is due to a lack of people, i think it also point out the lack of a moderation board with various role to fill.

          Several role are missing so our job tend to overlap.

          We could do something like this :

          • sysop : server
          • admin : oversee all communities and subcription
          • modo : oversee one or several communities
          • mediation team : manage communities well-being
          • animators : create post, event…

          In our case, our (modo)admins would delete these as they oversee the whole server.