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    10 hours ago

    Its actually not their ignorance… its yours.

    Slightly older data, but almost assuredly worse or unchanged considering the shifts in economic prosperity and demographics post covid:

    • Eleven percent of survey respondents have never traveled outside of the state where they were born.

    • Over half of those surveyed (54 percent) say they’ve visited 10 states or fewer.

    • As many as 13 percent say they have never flown in an airplane.

    • Forty percent of those questioned said they’ve never left the country.

    • Over half of respondents have never owned a passport. (For years U.S. citizens did not need one to travel to Mexico, Canada and on many cruises, which may clarify the previous stat.)

    The ignorance in this instance, is in-fact, your ignorance, not Rapidcreek’s. You clearly have a misconception about how well-traveled or worldly US citizens are. In-fact, US citizens are shockingly poorly traveled within their own borders.

    So rapidcreeks’:

    I wouldn’t find it too ridiculous. After all, most people in the US haven’t traveled (…)

    shows they know more about the context of this situation than you do, and they are offering a plausible explanation to contain your exacerbation.

    And this response:

    No, it is ridiculous. Quit excusing the willful ignorance.

    Is really just inflammatory and not based in fact. Also you missed their very subtle joke.

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      Also you missed their very subtle joke.

      If it was a joke, it went way overboard

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        Rapidcreek in this comment is 100% correct. The subtle joke (explained), rapidcreek is that theprogressivist needs to take a vacation, as in to travel and broaden their horizons, to resolve their ignorance and become more worldly.

        In at least just this comment, rapidcreek is right and theprogressivist is just plain wrong.

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      Lol, so I’m ignorant for pointing out the ignorance of Americans? Just because they aren’t well traveled doesn’t excuse people from being ignorant of facts, especially those involving their own country and surrounding territories. It’s as sad as Americans not knowing US history, which ironically Puerto Rico is a part of. Nice try, though.

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        9 hours ago

        Well ignorance is the state of “not knowing”. So yeah. You were/ are the ignorant one in that exchange. It might make you uncomfortable, but your “not knowing” in that exchange does make you the ignorant one. No amount of downvotes or upvotes changes that.

        And to be clear, in your second response, you weren’t identifying the ignorance of Americans, you were blaming them for it. Then, when you could have just engaged with what Rapidcreek said, and instead you became accusatory and inflammatory. Which actually lines up well with the sentiment of the prior statement you made where you blamed Americans for their ignorance. The reality of travel is that its a privilege, and that even those who haven’t traveled desire to (which you would know if you had done something to resolve your ignorance), but that there are structural economic and political barriers for many US citizens to be able to do so. Many Americans want to travel, but they can’t afford to, or because of the structure of their lives, they can’t find the time to.

        So I agree with what Rapidcreek said. I think you need a vacation.

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          9 hours ago

          Again, just because you can’t travel doesn’t mean you can’t educate yourself on matters. Quit excusing ignorance, champ.

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            9 hours ago

            This is the “women shouldn’t wear short skirts” argument with regards to preventing rape. Its victim blaming. Americans are victims of a system which keeps them ignorant in their world view, impoverished economically, and bound politically. But its their fault.

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                9 hours ago

                Its not, but you are both ignorant and inflammatory, so i don’t expect much more than this in a response from you.

                You don’t seem to have the ability to actually engage with the material being presented. But I can infer that you are probably American, so I don’t blame you for your ignorance or inability to engage intellectually.