My favorite is Bog king from Strange Magic - Has a song talking about how evil he is. But all he does is prevent the spread of dangerous mind control magic, and quarantine people under the effects of said magic. Yes he greatly annoys people doing so, but honestly? If I get hit by a love potion, please quarantine me.
Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz
He is actually a really good dad throughout the show.
And because he’s such a great dad, Vanessa gave him a basket full of recreational self destruct buttons for fathers day.
A thoughtful gift to a mad and self-described evil scientist.
I wish he was less oppressed
I got a platypus controlling me!
Literally Satan.
Among his greatest sins: trying to be a bro and let Adam and Eve know that they were naked in some perv’s garden
Edit: come to think of it, it’s not entirely accurate, as I don’t think Satan ever claims to be evil. But there’s a lot of anti-Satan propaganda in the Bible.
TV show Lucifer is a fun watch. The Devil gets tired of running Hell and decides to relocate to LA.
I love Lucifer. Every episode is exactly the same and it’s amazing.
Tom Ellis made me question my sexuality.
The show is loosely based on a standalone Sandman spinoff comic that I think is quite good.
Funnily enough, I found the comic dry and snooty. The show was a lot more fun.
It would be so much of a better show if it wasn’t such a copoganda. The writing is great, actors are great, but their insistence to suck cops dics and portray the police as this noble organization that is making the world the better place one brutalised civilian at a time is just tiring.
Get over yourself. If you can suspend your disbelief to watch a show about the Devil running a nightclub, you can watch ‘copaganda.’
You remind me of the people who complain about bad language in rap music; if you’re going to be offended by something, it’s your job to stay away from it.
nah, it’s a legitimate complaint, and exactly the reason I stopped watching after a couple episodes. They portray cops like they’re “angel helpers” and it just reeks of bootlicking bullshit. The main character is Lucifer Morningstar, or the guy who’s main schtick is questioning authority, and yet he’s 5-0’s best friend. It completely destroys the idea behind the show, when the obvious corrupt organization is never taken to task. Atlanta shows cops as they are, this show is just copaganda.
It’s a TV show, produced to sell advertising in the USA.
You might as well complain about the lack of vegan options at McDonald’s.
That doesn’t make the criticism invalid.
You have a right to critique any aspect of any work.
To me, this is as silly as the people who were offended when the Green M+M changed her shoes.
Restaurant having no vegan option is indeed bad and deserves complaints. I don’t know what’s your problem with criticizing shit, you seem to have no problems with telling me how to do media analysis, so you understand the concept
You remind me of the people who got upset when the Green M+M changed her shoes.
So a latteral move
More like a latte move.
Because you can’t get a good latte in Hell and he’d have to move to get one and…
Laugh damn your eyes, laugh!
I think you would really enjoy reading paradise lost. OK, maybe you wouldn’t enjoy reading it because it’s written in late 15th century iambic pentameter, and the anachronistic vocabulary makes it a bit of a slog— but it’s an incredible (apocryphal, but what about Satan isn’t?) story about how Lucifer became Satan.
Just make sure to get an annotated copy so you can understand what the hell is going on.
Is it ever stated that the serpent is actually Satan?
Not explicitly. The book of Enoch (non-canon) claims it was Azazel, other sources claim Samael or even Lilith. Now if you want to take a completely secular view it’s important to note that Satan as we think of him now is a Christian concept and doesn’t exist in the Torah or in classical Judaism, but was simply a term meaning “accuser” or “tempter” that wasn’t a person or individual but more of a general concept of sin or temptation that prevented someone from doing the will of god
Satan is referred to as a serpent a couple times in the bible.
I haven’t read the Hebrew version, so maybe that telling says it?
Ð notion of Satan as an antagonistic force is not entirely in line wið ð actual þeology.
For example, he’s not ð snake. Ðat was a revision introduced in paradise lost, which along wið ð divine comedy are more or less biblical fan cannon.
In actual þeology, ð devil is more or less God’s right hand overseeing ð meeting out of afterlife justice. IIRC he’s even sought after for council by God or at least perspective for oðer characters speaking wið god.
Job is basically two work colleagues holding a wager as a tool for god to illustrate ð message ðat good deeds must be done for ðeir own sake, and not for ð sense ðat doing ð right þing will lead inherently to a better life.
Satan is literally ðere to remind people ðat ð world being unfair is actually good news, because it means ðat being down on your luck doesn’t mean you’re a bad person.
Oh mate we don’t use that letter anymore.
They’re havin their fun. It’s only an issue if you genuinely want to know what they’ve got to say, which it sounds like you don’t.
He’s not an idiot he’s just stupid. Fr fcks sk stp.
I do, so bugger off if ðat’s all you’re here to talk about.
I’m actually genuinely interested as to why you use them.
Take your fedora off and put down the katana, sir. We don’t want any trouble
Megamind. Dude raised in prison and bullied his whole life, he just want attention from Metroman. Once he got the attention of Roxanne the act basically stopped.
He did more-or-less kill, and then steal the identity of, the museum guy. He’s not a paragon of virtue, either.
Yeah, but he isn’t evil that he likes to think he is. He kinda mess up the town once in a while while trying to get even with Metroman. Though there’s no confirmed kill from him. Titan on the other hand is evil.
He didn’t kill him he used the dehydration gun which turns people into cubes. He can be put into water and will be back like nothing happens. He even used that in the finale to defeat Tighten
If not for an accident where he ended up in a washing machine, he’d have been left as a cube indefinitely. From a cube’s perspective, there’s no difference between being a cube and being dead.
Okay, but you can’t say “he killed him” when he could be brought back by anyone. Especially since even the museum guy knew that the gun is for dehydration, so that means Megamind’s powers / gadgets are relatively known.
I said he more-or-less killed him, not that he actually killed him. Care was not taken to ensure he’d be revived or revivable. He was left forgotten in a pocket. The likely outcome was that he remained forgotten and didn’t get wet until he’d been dropped under some furniture, crushed like a stock cube or gone mouldy. Maybe he had dependents, like a young child who’d have died without their parent. It being theoretically possible to revive someone later doesn’t make turning them into a dehydrated cube meaningfully better than making them dead if you don’t have a strong plan with a failsafe to make sure they stop being a cube. Even with guaranteed revival, if they’re a cube for long enough that they notice the lost time, it’s just like roofying someone and holding them hostage for a while. Do not turn museum guys into dehydrated cubes.
LuciThe Mighty Monarch.
Did you see what he did to Dr. Dugong?!
He was fine. He had enough starfish DNA to grow his head back.
Came here for this
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Character that insist is evil but clearly isn’t: Crowley from Supernatural.
But I think that character that is actually evil but still charming is more interesting, and for that I bring forward Baal from Stargate.
Crowly as in Good Omens?
No, from Supernatural. I don’t remember Crowley from Good Omens claiming to be bad
Different character, but there is a lot of overlap. When the show introduced Crowley for the first time, I thought it was an omage to Good Omens.
You guys know about the actual occultist Crowley, right?
RIP the actor that played Ba’al.
He was a disturbingly good looking man, damn.
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Maybe I’m confusing the two, but I always thought Crowley from Supernatural was an evil demon with a streak of humanity. His character arc is a redemption arc as he develops that tiny sliver of humanity
Since my usual suspects are already mentioned, I’ll go a little more esoteric - ProZD’s “a villain who always does unintentionally helpful things” - https://youtu.be/GPUgjy-Pn-4
Professor Chaos
The Brian, otherwise Pinky wouldn’t stay with him.
Well, he never says he’s evil but is certainly seen as a villian: Dr. Victor van Doom. He’s actually glimpsed all possible timelines of humanity and only the one where he reigns is not ending in destruction. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4d9668819558c73a8fda43cd4bc0ef0a-lq He is also loved by the people of the country he does rule. And when he had indeed managed to rule the world, it was a time of peace. I mean, mind control peace (he amplified the power of Kilgrave the Purple Man) but still.
If you’re asking yourself why Kilgrave didn’t simply control him, Doom is one of the few people with so much natural willpower that Kilgrave’s powers don’t work on him: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d5/e8/c8/d5e8c8ee71120993b8616128b08a6a22.jpg
Doom does a genocide every other month. There’s something to be said for earnestly believing you’re the good guy but you can say it about Hitler too.
Maybe I don’t know enough Doom lore but he seems not evil in the same way as Thanos. Sincerely believes that his way is the right way and the ego to try to force it on everyone else.
Or maybe Doom is not evil in the same way as saying Nazis made the trains run on time
Doom in the comics is more like movie Thanos than comic Thanos. Comic Thanos is legitimately mad and killed half the universe just to impress Mistress Death (she was not impressed).
He’s basically Stark, Strange and Black Panther rolled into one, with the arrogance of Strange and Stark dialed to eleven.
He’s completely capable of doing very evil shit to reach his goals but also has moral principles. He has tried to kill the Fantastic Four countless times and is still the godfather of the daughter of Reed and Sue. Her first word was “Doom”.
I Scream from Chikn Nuggit.
Claims to be the epitome of darkness; was exiled from Hell for falling in love with an Angel named Fwench Fwy.
Vegeta
He was pretty evil for a good while, then went back to evil again during ][v][ajin saga for a bit. He did a fair share of evil shit for a good while before he became a bro.
Melkior/Morgoth, they saw that Arda was a deeply flawed creation and attempted to correct it before existence was sung into being.
After the fact their actions are certainly viewed as evil by the world they tried to change but had the rest of the Vala joined his song the world simply would have been different, not worse.
Fingolfin, at the gates.
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Shaka, when the walls fell.
I got that reference, but I miss the fingolfin one. I doubt morgoth stayed in his fortress because he’s a good guy.
Yeah… I didn’t get the fingolfin reference either… but their wording was wonderfully awful.
https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Fingolfin#Combat_with_Morgoth_and_death
Dude tooled up to the gates of Angband, challenged Morgoth to single combat, and left a mark.
He was a hero among elves and free men.
I know, but why would that make morgoth a good guy? Also, I think the op was referring to the time fingolfin challenged morgoth, but he started in his fortress
Wasn’t he just a proud dude that disagreed with how the song of creation was to be sung - and sung his version anyway? But then it was “all according to plan” anyways?
Pretty much. They were a dick later on, though. I think #melkiordidnothingwrong ended when they stole the silmarils.
Elphaba from Wicked.
