• Revan343@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    Which would be more true than most of Putin’s claims.

    Nazi is stretching the word, but not really very much. Palestinians are Semites though, so anti-Semitic isn’t a stretch at all, it’s just blatantly correct

    • yesman@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      “Semite” is as archaic (and accurate) as “mongoloid” or “Aryan”. It’s no matter that it uses language as a proxy for blood. Reformed race science is still race science.

      • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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        1 month ago

        I was under the impression “Semitic peoples” broadly meant “from the Eastern Mediterranean coastal area.” While there’s obviously been a lot of migration to and from the area, is it really as pseudoscientific as making up things about the spread of a random tribe that migrated to India?

        • BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world
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          1 month ago

          There are two definitions of Semitic peoples, one of which is accurate and still in use and another of which is obsolete race science.

          Ancient Semitic peoples were a real and well-attested ethnolinguistic group of speakers of proto-Semitic, a branch of the Afroasiatic language family that evolved into Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Amharic, and other languages. The emergence, distribution and development of these languages in the 3rd millennium BC is of great historical importance as Akkadian, the language of ancient Babylon, accounts for some of our earliest examples of written language in ancient Mesopotamia.

          The obsolete definition was constructed by German pseudo-historians in the 1700s and 1800s as a way to distinguish Jews, Arabs, and other peoples from “Aryan” whites, which of course influenced the development of Nazi ideology and antisemitism in the sense of discrimination against Jews.

          So there’s a real and important definition here if we’re talking about the languages and cultures of ancient Mesopotamia, and a modern definition that was invented by German racists to justify their purported superiority over other “races.”

    • PoTayToes@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      Antisemitism has one specific definition, which is the hatred of Jews.

      Please don’t use an etymological fallacy often used by antisemites (“It’s not antisemitism, I’m not calling for the death of Palestinians” is an actual thing I’ve seen). Also as yesman said, “Semites” is indeed race science, which should not be used as if it has any kind of validity whatsoever.