Day one D1 player here. I finally ditched out with Lightfall (I could not even finish the campaign). I really want to finish the saga but I just can’t bring myself to play it. I hear PvP is worse than dead now.
I expect Sony to shutter Bungie pretty soon, which is sad because a Destiny series and spinoff games in other genres that further the lore might have been really cool.
They could fix Destiny 2, but not with the staff a budget they have now.
Split PvE and PvP.
-> Sell story based expansions for PvE.
-> Keep all the stupid microtransactions and vanity items in F2P PvP.
-> Balance the weapons separately for each mode.
Transfer characters between modes at will.
Restore ALL the vaulted content to PvE. All of it.
Make all the story missions selectable from the map, just like D1 always has been.
Make sure all the story missions have clear level markers so they can be played in the proper order (again, just like D1.)
The only times I went to PvP I only did so to complete some quest, and I only did so with lots of comfort food available. It was a horror show every time. As a pure PvE player, I got pissed off too many times when Bungie nerfed my stuff because people in PvP got upset about something AGAIN.
I don’t like it when people call developers lazy. It’s bullshit 99% of times. So I think the problem was with the players themselves. We (including myself) showed the higher ups at Bungie, that we would still buy the next season, the next expansion no matter what.
Your other points are also true. It reminds me when D1 was at its best in the year before D2 was released. All quest available, all weapons and exotics obtainable. All raids returned in an updated manner with their weapons, gear and even some shiny shit you could put on your stuff to sparkle more.
I left Destiny 2 roughly 2 years ago and I don’t miss it. Fuck that clusterfuck of an addiction made video game. It’s not even the good kind of addictive like Factorio. It just pisses you off and you still keep playing.
Same for me, started playing D2 at launch (No console sir wasn’t able to play D1).
PvE only, PvP when cheese was possible.
Loved the game, the story, the great gameplay and shoot/power feeling.
Stayed in for years but, in indsight I played more and more because I felt I needed to instead of wanted to.
They started vaulting content with shitty excuses, made the game very hard for new players (best way to kill it long term), added monetisation and FOMO left and right.
FOMO finally burned me out before lightfall. Didn’t preco and that was the smart thing to do.
This extension was simply scandalous: rushed, very poorly written, bad characters (and there wasn’t that much of them). It was hastly put together to be able to push final shape and it felt.
Quite there and then.
On one hand I’m happy I stopped giving money to a Company that clearly didn’t give a fuck to both its players and employees.
On another hand it’s a shame because the game was good, art direction incredible, story - even if sometime badly narrated and complicated- was deep and great.
Edit: ah gambit was great, especially with a full team.
Same here. I only did PvP for the odd exotic. I worked SUPER hard to get the matched set of Rose/Thorn/Malfeasance/Lumina.
I walked away when they vaulted content and sunset gear and I don’t feel bad about it. If they won’t respect the time and money I invested, then they don’t deserve more of either.
I don’t give a shit what their excuses were or are, there was absolutely no reason (aside from forcing people to buy the new expansions) for Bungie to give the middle finger to literally everyone who had bought the game and the first couple expansions by vaulting it and taking it out of the game.
I remember when it first happened, and people in the Destiny subreddits were actually defending Bungie for the decision. “iT mAkEs ThE gAmE rUn BeTtEr!” bull-fucking-shit. I paid 70 goddamn dollars to play the content that was advertised, not for it to go F2P less than a year after release, them to actually delete the base campaign the game shipped with (along with the expansions), and no one who bought the game got any kind of consolation. Just “fuck you, everyone can play it for free now and we have your money.”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t necessarily have an issue with it going F2P, just that it was kind of out of nowhere and no one who had actually bought the game got anything from it; not even just a bullshit cosmetic.
ETA: BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. If MCC can get away with having 5 full games in one and still be close to 200gb, then D2 can get away with having the campaign and all expansions available for everyone. Have we all forgotten that ARK: SE is an actual 200gb install? Or even Warzone for that matter? A lot of people won’t give a shit about the install size if yours is one of the few games they’re actively playing. It’s like Bungie wanted to shoot themselves in both feet.
They’d also need to have a half decent LFG system compared to the wank they have now and need to stop “vaulting” (is that the term they used for it?) and just let people play all the content that’s been released.
I dunno. I’m still playing, also stopped for a year or so but started again a few months ago. I’m not a pvp guy but when Iron Banner is on you wait less than 5 min for a match. Even Gambit you find matches fairly quick. The pale heart is awesome, with a fantastic campaign and I enjoy the overthrow activity. They need to fix pathfinder a bit, great idea but it needs some tweaks. I often see blueberries, especially over weekends. The new season stuff is always matchmade basically immediately any time of day or night. I think the game is still pretty well supported, but we’ll see how long the company lasts. New content dropping next week, with the 10th anniversary activities in the pale heart, I’m quite looking forward to that.
I basically lived D2 from Beyond Light to right before Lightfall, loved my time with it but it was too costly with all the full-price expansions, season pass shit etc. just to be able to access a lot of the game. And I was weary of Bungie during that whole time and finally decided to boycott them and the game (and future ones unless they change).
I started playing Warframe about three months ago and absolutely love it, it’s so nice never feel like I HAVE to pay to do anything. Very few things are locked behind having to pay with real money, I think only some skins are. The devs are also very communicative with the players and listen to the community way more than most others. It’s not perfect of course, but the issues aren’t shitty and greedy devs, it’s mainly that some things aren’t fully explained in game and stuff has changed so much over the years that many guides, tutorials and tips you find online don’t really apply anymore. But I’ve got a good grasp of most of the game now and I don’t see myself stopping anytime soon, currently at 550+ hours and there’s so much more to do, and more on the way.
Is there a story in Warframe that I can finish in few dozens hours at most? Or do I need to spend 100s of hours to get a good grasp of what’s happening.
Day one D1 player here. I finally ditched out with Lightfall (I could not even finish the campaign). I really want to finish the saga but I just can’t bring myself to play it. I hear PvP is worse than dead now.
I expect Sony to shutter Bungie pretty soon, which is sad because a Destiny series and spinoff games in other genres that further the lore might have been really cool.
They could fix Destiny 2, but not with the staff a budget they have now.
Split PvE and PvP.
-> Sell story based expansions for PvE.
-> Keep all the stupid microtransactions and vanity items in F2P PvP.
-> Balance the weapons separately for each mode.
Transfer characters between modes at will.
Restore ALL the vaulted content to PvE. All of it.
Make all the story missions selectable from the map, just like D1 always has been.
Make sure all the story missions have clear level markers so they can be played in the proper order (again, just like D1.)
The only times I went to PvP I only did so to complete some quest, and I only did so with lots of comfort food available. It was a horror show every time. As a pure PvE player, I got pissed off too many times when Bungie nerfed my stuff because people in PvP got upset about something AGAIN.
I don’t like it when people call developers lazy. It’s bullshit 99% of times. So I think the problem was with the players themselves. We (including myself) showed the higher ups at Bungie, that we would still buy the next season, the next expansion no matter what.
Your other points are also true. It reminds me when D1 was at its best in the year before D2 was released. All quest available, all weapons and exotics obtainable. All raids returned in an updated manner with their weapons, gear and even some shiny shit you could put on your stuff to sparkle more.
I left Destiny 2 roughly 2 years ago and I don’t miss it. Fuck that clusterfuck of an addiction made video game. It’s not even the good kind of addictive like Factorio. It just pisses you off and you still keep playing.
Same for me, started playing D2 at launch (No console sir wasn’t able to play D1). PvE only, PvP when cheese was possible.
Loved the game, the story, the great gameplay and shoot/power feeling.
Stayed in for years but, in indsight I played more and more because I felt I needed to instead of wanted to.
They started vaulting content with shitty excuses, made the game very hard for new players (best way to kill it long term), added monetisation and FOMO left and right.
FOMO finally burned me out before lightfall. Didn’t preco and that was the smart thing to do. This extension was simply scandalous: rushed, very poorly written, bad characters (and there wasn’t that much of them). It was hastly put together to be able to push final shape and it felt. Quite there and then.
On one hand I’m happy I stopped giving money to a Company that clearly didn’t give a fuck to both its players and employees.
On another hand it’s a shame because the game was good, art direction incredible, story - even if sometime badly narrated and complicated- was deep and great.
Edit: ah gambit was great, especially with a full team.
Same here. I only did PvP for the odd exotic. I worked SUPER hard to get the matched set of Rose/Thorn/Malfeasance/Lumina.
I walked away when they vaulted content and sunset gear and I don’t feel bad about it. If they won’t respect the time and money I invested, then they don’t deserve more of either.
I had slowed way down when the Forsaken story came out. Then they vaulted the campaign and other expansions and I said “welp. Fuck em.”
I don’t give a shit what their excuses were or are, there was absolutely no reason (aside from forcing people to buy the new expansions) for Bungie to give the middle finger to literally everyone who had bought the game and the first couple expansions by vaulting it and taking it out of the game.
I remember when it first happened, and people in the Destiny subreddits were actually defending Bungie for the decision. “iT mAkEs ThE gAmE rUn BeTtEr!” bull-fucking-shit. I paid 70 goddamn dollars to play the content that was advertised, not for it to go F2P less than a year after release, them to actually delete the base campaign the game shipped with (along with the expansions), and no one who bought the game got any kind of consolation. Just “fuck you, everyone can play it for free now and we have your money.”
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t necessarily have an issue with it going F2P, just that it was kind of out of nowhere and no one who had actually bought the game got anything from it; not even just a bullshit cosmetic.
ETA:
BULL. FUCKING. SHIT. If MCC can get away with having 5 full games in one and still be close to 200gb, then D2 can get away with having the campaign and all expansions available for everyone. Have we all forgotten that ARK: SE is an actual 200gb install? Or even Warzone for that matter? A lot of people won’t give a shit about the install size if yours is one of the few games they’re actively playing. It’s like Bungie wanted to shoot themselves in both feet.
And, by removing the campaign, they ganked the new player onboarding. People had no idea what was happening.
Play Warframe lol. Almost no vaulted content after ten years, and new quests coming out every couple months. 50 gigs.
They’d also need to have a half decent LFG system compared to the wank they have now and need to stop “vaulting” (is that the term they used for it?) and just let people play all the content that’s been released.
They have stopped vaulting content, they just also have not restored anything.
I dunno. I’m still playing, also stopped for a year or so but started again a few months ago. I’m not a pvp guy but when Iron Banner is on you wait less than 5 min for a match. Even Gambit you find matches fairly quick. The pale heart is awesome, with a fantastic campaign and I enjoy the overthrow activity. They need to fix pathfinder a bit, great idea but it needs some tweaks. I often see blueberries, especially over weekends. The new season stuff is always matchmade basically immediately any time of day or night. I think the game is still pretty well supported, but we’ll see how long the company lasts. New content dropping next week, with the 10th anniversary activities in the pale heart, I’m quite looking forward to that.
I basically lived D2 from Beyond Light to right before Lightfall, loved my time with it but it was too costly with all the full-price expansions, season pass shit etc. just to be able to access a lot of the game. And I was weary of Bungie during that whole time and finally decided to boycott them and the game (and future ones unless they change).
I started playing Warframe about three months ago and absolutely love it, it’s so nice never feel like I HAVE to pay to do anything. Very few things are locked behind having to pay with real money, I think only some skins are. The devs are also very communicative with the players and listen to the community way more than most others. It’s not perfect of course, but the issues aren’t shitty and greedy devs, it’s mainly that some things aren’t fully explained in game and stuff has changed so much over the years that many guides, tutorials and tips you find online don’t really apply anymore. But I’ve got a good grasp of most of the game now and I don’t see myself stopping anytime soon, currently at 550+ hours and there’s so much more to do, and more on the way.
Is there a story in Warframe that I can finish in few dozens hours at most? Or do I need to spend 100s of hours to get a good grasp of what’s happening.
It’s a bit grindy, but you used to be able to get through the main story possibly in under a hundred hours.
Cool, thanks for the info!