Also the origins of the term “woke” in this context basically means “informed” and like… I dunno. That’s what I see too in the woke/anti-woke dichotomy in modern times as well. Its about information vs misinformation. The anti-woke folks consistently push an anti-woke agenda centered around making sure the populace isn’t informed
Jesus Christ what the fuck are you talking about. Lemme break this down real quick, I guess
Yes it is. That’s where it comes from in African-American Vernacular. Denying that is… Weird
I don’t mind differing opinions. I do mind misinformation.
I didn’t call anyone dumb. I think politicians like Ron DeSantis don’t want us to teach history because they know we’re not dumb, and the only way to keep us under their thumbs is to keep us uninformed
When did I say anything about conspiracy theories? What conspiracy theories do you think I believe in
The Jews are not in charge of everything WHAT THE FUCK ARE TOU TALKING ABOUT. Why are you painting me with that brush? That’s… Weird.
Hi. Jewish person here. Thinking Israel as a fascist regime is not antisemitic. Its just… Looking at what they’re doing and assessing it for what it is
I think we should not go down that rabbit hole. In the war between Israel and Gaza both sides did and do horrible things. Deciding which of the two sides is more evil is just not helping anybody.
Not saying either side is more evil right now. I’m just saying Israel is a fascist state. Because they are. This is something I’ve been saying since before I knew about Palestine. Israel is a fascist state. They have done nothing in the last 20 years to convince me they deserve to be seen in another light. They have every aspect of Umberto Ecco’s ur-fascism
Ok then. I have no knowledge in that regard, so I won’t disagree 😅
In my ears “fascist” is usually including nazis (I am from Germany, so for me these 2 words have a “special bond” so to speak)
I guess we are running in different circles (which is likely, cause we probably don’t live in the same country :D ). I do not perceive it this way. The black and white thinking is a big problem social media is not helping with (and I don’t accuse you of it, its just a fact)
Sounds to me like it is more about the people aggressively proclaiming “we good everyone else evil” and not so much about the actual people that are being called woke by the likes of trump and other right wing extremists… The people who actually think of themselves as woke are usually not in the extreme spectrum you are referring to.
I would think of myself as “woke” and I very much agree with your statement:
I can definitely live with different opinions where opinions are reasonable (i don’t accept “opinions” that are just antisemitism or LGBT hate and similar things, actual racism and sexism just aren’t opinions)
What is pretty much obvious from our debate here is that the meaning of a “woke” is depending on the person you ask. So maybe we should just not use that term when we want to criticize something, because nobody knows what exactly is meant by it.
But just FYI I have no idea which country you’re from or who the people are you’re referring to
Honestly it looks like a heated debate about the community bans of the OP of that post 😅
Honestly I think it is hilarious how people keep whining about lemmy.world being too woke 😁
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So what? I don’t get why “being woke” would be a negative thing
Also the origins of the term “woke” in this context basically means “informed” and like… I dunno. That’s what I see too in the woke/anti-woke dichotomy in modern times as well. Its about information vs misinformation. The anti-woke folks consistently push an anti-woke agenda centered around making sure the populace isn’t informed
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Jesus Christ what the fuck are you talking about. Lemme break this down real quick, I guess
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What other opinions do you have about things?
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Hi. Jewish person here. Thinking Israel as a fascist regime is not antisemitic. Its just… Looking at what they’re doing and assessing it for what it is
I think we should not go down that rabbit hole. In the war between Israel and Gaza both sides did and do horrible things. Deciding which of the two sides is more evil is just not helping anybody.
Not saying either side is more evil right now. I’m just saying Israel is a fascist state. Because they are. This is something I’ve been saying since before I knew about Palestine. Israel is a fascist state. They have done nothing in the last 20 years to convince me they deserve to be seen in another light. They have every aspect of Umberto Ecco’s ur-fascism
Ok then. I have no knowledge in that regard, so I won’t disagree 😅 In my ears “fascist” is usually including nazis (I am from Germany, so for me these 2 words have a “special bond” so to speak)
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I guess we are running in different circles (which is likely, cause we probably don’t live in the same country :D ). I do not perceive it this way. The black and white thinking is a big problem social media is not helping with (and I don’t accuse you of it, its just a fact)
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Sounds to me like it is more about the people aggressively proclaiming “we good everyone else evil” and not so much about the actual people that are being called woke by the likes of trump and other right wing extremists… The people who actually think of themselves as woke are usually not in the extreme spectrum you are referring to.
I would think of myself as “woke” and I very much agree with your statement:
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What is pretty much obvious from our debate here is that the meaning of a “woke” is depending on the person you ask. So maybe we should just not use that term when we want to criticize something, because nobody knows what exactly is meant by it.
But just FYI I have no idea which country you’re from or who the people are you’re referring to