Meta has said it will expand its hate speech policy to cover more uses of the word “Zionist” when applied to Jews or Israelis on its platform.

We will now remove messages targeting ‘Zionists’ in several areas where our investigation has shown that the term tends to be used to refer to Jews and Israelis, with dehumanising comparisons, calls to harm, or denials of existence," the company said in a press release on Tuesday.

In December, Human Rights Watch said that Meta was guilty of “systemic censorship of Palestine content” during Israel’s war on Gaza.

  • cygnus@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    Also denial of the existence of israel is now forbidden in Germany and on Meta platforms. Free speech btw.

    Maybe it’s just me, but calling for the eradication of a country is bad (controversial take, I know)

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      Zionists are not following Judaism. If you ask some orthodox jewish people living in occupied Palestine they’ll tell you they are in exile and are not allowed to have their country until the arrival of the Messiah, that they are simply living in that land that belongs to whoever it belonged to.

      Zionists on the other hand are imperialist colonizers who took the land from its owners. So asking for the land to be returned to its rightful owners is legitimate, and this translates to the end of the existance of the state created on wrongfully seized land.

      This should not be conflated with eradicating the people. The people could live there with the local Muslims, Christians and Jews as they did before. Although I know we don’t live in a fairy tale. If the occupying state is dismantled, how can one live peacefully with the people who tortured you, your family and society for decades and made your life hell…

      Edit: adding link to interview

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          I’ll edit the link to mention these are orthodox jews who were interviewed.

          I didn’t know how few are the Jews who actually heed their religion.

          To be noted regarding Pew’s poll is that the number of those who believe that the land was promised to the Jews does not say whether they believe they should be owning it now or it shall only become theirs once the Messiah comes.

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        If the occupying state is dismantled, how can one live peacefully with the people who tortured you, your family and society for decades and made your life hell…

        South Africa pulled it off. But yes, it basically required dismantling the state completely from what it was. South Africa as it existed before and after apartheid are essentially different states with the same name. They got a new Constitution and everything. They still have a lot of problems with the white population having a majority of the land and money, but there’s nowhere near the violence there was beforehand. Everyone mostly lives in peace together now. It can be done. The same thing happened with the IRA in the UK.

        We would need to do the same thing. Dismantle Israel completely down to its roots, build something new in the same place from scratch, a place for both Palestinians and Israelis can live together. Some people would be pissed and there’d be some trouble in the beginning, but most people want to live in peace.

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        Zionists are not following Judaism. If you ask jewish people living in occupied Palestine they’ll tell you they are in exile and are not allowed to have their country until the arrival of the Messiah, that they are simply living in that land that belongs to whoever ot belonged to.

        Zionists om the other hand are imperialist colonisers who took the land from its owners. So asking for the land to return to its rightful owners is legitimate, and this translates to the end of the existance of the state created on wrongfully seized land.

        So, per your words, jewish people are zionists who use religion as an excuse to occupy a land that is not theirs (and keep expanding with more settlers every chance they get). Also, isn’t israel supposed to be their god given country? Why would they leave?

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          No, what I said is that Zionism opposes Judaism. Zionists seemingly are not religious but twist what the religion says to enact their colonial goals.

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        Zionists are not following Judaism. If you ask jewish people living in occupied Palestine they’ll tell you they are in exile and are not allowed to have their country until the arrival of the Messiah, that they are simply living in that land that belongs to whoever ot belonged to.

        Zionists om the other hand are imperialist colonisers who took the land from its owners. So asking for the land to return to its rightful owners is legitimate, and this translates to the end of the existance of the state created on wrongfully seized land.

        So, per your words, jewish people are zionists who use religion as an excuse to occupy a land that is not theirs (and keep expanding with more settlers every chance they get). Also, isn’t israel supposed to be their god given country? Why would they leave?

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        4 months ago

        I agree, but not a Palestine that occupies 100% of Israel.

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          Israel is not a country.

          If israel wants to exist it can accept a two state solution with Palestine right now.

          You do not get to decide whether a colony is a country. The natives do.

          Saying israel is a country is similar to saying Crimea is actually Russian.

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            Is the US a country? Is Australia a country? I doubt the natives decided they were. Very weird way to define a country, regardless of your thoughts on Israel / Palestine

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            Israel is not a country.

            OK I’m done with this conversation, lmao. Didn’t have to scratch your surface very much for the full-on hate to come out. Interesting how that happens so often with people who profess to simply be anti-zionist.

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              Recognition of israel comes from Palestinians not from posturing hypocrites.

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                Thanks for the explanation, person who believes Jews are not native to Israel:

                You do not get to decide whether a colony is a country. The natives do.

                Definitely not a ragingly anti-Semitic opinion there, nope! Edit: same for the downvoters too. You all need to take a step back and re-examine your views. Jews have lived there for 3000 years.

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                  Could you remind me how this turned out in most of America historically? And here by America I mean both North and South America.

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                    Can you rephrase this question? I have no idea what you’re asking.

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                  So have Muslims and Christians. Doesn’t give them the right to kill all the other people and take their land. Not to mention everything they do to encourage settler colonialism, like giving settlers a free pass from Europe or the US to come in and take homes from natives in the area. You can find so many examples of random people from Germany or New York who show up and are given a house that belonged to some Palestinian family for generations.

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                    So have Muslims and Christians. Doesn’t give them the right to kill all the other people and take their land.

                    So your solution is to dissolve the state of Israel and leave the Jews there at the mercy of neighbours who would take their land and kill them on sight? Big brain time

                    The history of Israel’s formation is not relevant to today’s discussion. Most countries were founded on colonialism and war and oppression; it doesn’t mean the solution is “well actually let’s send everyone packing”

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      Calling for the eradication of a religious ethnostate that engages in genocide and colonialism is surprisingly a good thing.

      Or do you think it was bad the world eradicated Nazi Germany?

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        That’s an excellent historical analogy — too bad you’ve misunderstood it. Germany was not dissolved after WW2, and its population was not thrown to the wolves. We only replaced their government. I agree that Likud needs to go (ideally to the Hague) but the people here wanting to wipe the country from the map are dangerous lunatics.

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          The countries of East and West Germany would like a word with you. The state of Nazi Germany very clearly ceased to exist.

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            The division was because the winners couldn’t coexist, not because Germany inherently needed to be split. The whole thing could have been treated like West Germany.

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              No, the division was because the winners couldn’t agree on who gets to build a new country where the old one was.

              No one was going to leave the Nazi state in power.

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                The division was because the winners couldn’t coexist,

                No, the division was because the winners couldn’t agree on who gets to build a new country where the old one was.

                Sounds to me like we’re in agreement here? In any case, the Allies didn’t give have Poland annex German territory or whatever. It continued to exist. Lots of people in this thread on the other hand want to delete Israel altogether and give it all to Palestine (which, incidentally, has never been a state at any point in history)

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                  Why would the Allies give German land to a Soviet puppet state of Poland?

                  You know what they did? They gave it back to the people living there, so let’s give Israel back to the people who lived there, that is the majority the Palestinians.

                  The Israelis can be like White South Africans, stay or fuck off, it’s not important.

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                    You know what they did? They gave it back to the people living there, so let’s give Israel back to the people who lived there, that is the majority the Palestinians.

                    The Israelis can be like White South Africans, stay or fuck off, it’s not important.

                    Holy fuck. I’m going to be charitable and assume you’re just unaware of history, and not a full-blown Nazi. You know Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews are the same people, right?