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    He’s forgiven billions in student loan debt

    Using a program signed into law by George W Bush. Does that mean Bush was also a progressive?

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      Biden passed comprehensive student loan forgiveness, and it was struck down by the supreme court for bullshit reasons. He’s using the mechanisms of government that he can control.

      Or did you forget that part?

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        Or did you forget that part?

        No I didn’t forget. But that’s not what you were talking about. You were talking about the student loans forgiven during Biden’s term. That’s being done under the PSLF program signed into law by G.W. Bush in 2007.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Service_Loan_Forgiveness

        If forgiving loans under this program is one reason to call Biden a progressive then the same would apply to Bush.

        So I’ll ask you again, was Bush also a progressive?

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          And you ignored my part of the conversation. He DID pass comprehensive student loan debt relief. Republicans used lawfare to halt the program.

          Does that not count?

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            He’s forgiven billions in student loan debt

            This was part of your conversation. You’re just deflecting because you had no idea what the PSLF program was or how it came to be.

            And no I don’t give participation trophies to presidents. Especially when I suspect they wanted it to fail in the first place.

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              He literally passed a bill, and republicans used the courts to strike it down. Biden then uses the mechanisms of government he can control, and still helps SOME people

              Naw that doesn’t count it’s a participation trophy.

              🙄

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                He literally passed a bill

                No he didn’t. The attempted at student loan forgiveness you’re referring to was done through an executive order. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about.

                https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/qa-on-bidens-student-loan-forgiveness/

                Also, I suspect he fully intended for it to fail for two reasons.

                1. Joe Biden voted numerous times to make student loan debt difficult to remove through bankruptcies during his time as senator. There is no reason to think he suddenly was in favor of student loan forgiveness.
                2. At the same time he announced this attempt he announced student loan debt repayments would restart. Obviously this wasn’t going to go over well and he needed some popular news to drown out that aspect. It worked. Student loan payments resumed and student loan forgiveness failed.
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                  Oh heaven forbid I mix up how he is trying to help people. Forgive my non-encyclopedic memory.

                  Biden also literally has changed his views as the times have changed. That’s to be expected when the population shifts.

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                    Oh heaven forbid I mix up how he is trying to help people.

                    Oh is that what you call lying?

                    It’s clear you know nothing about who Joe Biden is or what he has done. And you know what, that’s fine! Vote for him. That’s your right.

                    But if you’re going to come into a conversation telling other people why they should vote for him don’t be surprised when you get fact checked.