Michael should be getting royalties
NVIDIA rep created an account to make this post
AMD rep was already an active member of the community
Unsurprising, yet it still speaks volumes.
Linux is just Microsoft for oblivious nerds
Interesting concept, what do you mean by this?
Linux is #1 run by corporate interests like Red Hat (who controls the entire Linux ecosystem, see systemd etc.) in the exact same way as Microsoft. Linux being open source doesn’t mean it isn’t a corporate project by cumulative billion value companies. It’s not free software. It is what’s called “embrace extend extinguish”.
In short, you can only defend Linux over Windows once Linux stops accepting patches from Microsoft.
If you don’t like Microsoft’s contributions to Linux, you can fork it and remove them. If you don’t like Microsoft’s contributions to Windows, you have to use something else.
It’s not just Microsoft tho. Redhat, oracle, facebook, Google, intel, AMD, they all contribute to linux. Removing their contribution would effectively make the kernel unusable
Isn’t taking corporate money and extracting it into a public good a positive?
You have it backwards. The corporations are extracting free public contributions.
So what’s the problem with that? We get contributions for free to make newer hardware working, they improve already existing stuff, they solve bugs and everyone take advantage from that.
Hardware manufactures (Intel, AMD, etc) SHOULD be contributing to Linux. How could they EEE if they aren’t directly competing? The better compatibility they have with Linux, the more server CPUs they can sell. That’s their motivation, and it’s aligned with the OSS community.
Microsoft also uses Linux. They have both Windows Subsystem for Linux, and they also use it in house I’m certain. Linux is technically competition for MS, but not really. They aren’t trying to sell Windows to the people choosing Linux. To assume malice when there’s perfectly reasonable reasons for them to be contributing is likely wrong.
Average TempleOS user
At least he took his own initiative
What’s it like having your head that far up your own asshole?
Warm and cozy? What do you expect? Why else would I be here? God you people are dumb.
How do you deal with the smell?
My ass smells like roses. The real problem is all the thorns.
I do not get your argument still. Could you elaborate further?
Sure, if microsoft or redhat was embedding malware or proprietary software via patches, sure. But their contributions are also FOSS!
Red hat may be a contributor to the kernel but development is open source. See the difference between American mega corp with closed source software vs red hat contributing to the Linux kernel?
My network firewall blocks thousands of Microsoft tracking attempts per hour in my home network. My linux machine has zero packets blocked. How is this the same?
I guess you claim it’s the same because you don’t understand the difference, or we are talking about something else being the same, like both have desktop environments…
One is hostile against the user privacy and the other is not. They are very different. Systemd is a boot system and it’s great. It doesn’t call home.
Just use whatever distro Stallman does, you’ll be fine. If it’s good enough for him, it should be good enough for you.
And how would anyone benefit if Linux stopped accepting patches from Microsoft?
Gate’s closed, huh? Alright, I’ll come back later and make sure I ask you for permission.
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This might be the first time I’ve ever seen something productive happen in the Phoronix forums. I love that place. Go to any topic with more than about a dozen posts and it’s almost guaranteed to be a flame war. Genuinely one of the funniest places on the Internet.
Check out this one. It took like three posts!
The phoronix forums are insanely toxic. Everything is bad. Gnome = kid’s toy. systemd = written by Satan himself. Every programming language = too slow. Anything vaguely interested in fostering a diversity, equity, and inclusion = true colors come out in full force.
It’s so toxic yet I subject myself to it every now and again. There’s absolutely no moderation going on and it shows.
Any post mentioning Wayland or btrfs is guaranteed to have at least 60 comments
Obviously. X11 and ZFS are far superior. I use Arch, btw.
It’s super confusing, like I feel many commenters there live in a different universe. They talk about how Wayland is a failure that has failed to get off the ground, while it’s the default in most of the major distros at this point.
It’s really good so long as you aren’t trying to use it with Nvidia especially for gaming in my experience
There is some, but unless it gets really uncivilized no action really gets taken. a couple users have been banned
IMO I prefer it that way myself though. you either learn something neat, or engage in a class shittery. lots of other more polite forums such as this if phoronix forums isn’t to taste
Interestingly, the guy who made the referenced post, ‘avis’, is allegedly the new name of ‘birdie’, a well-known troll on the forums who was banned a while back. Basically everyone there agrees that it’s him and no action is taken against this new account.
I don’t think there is any doubt that avis is artem lol his profile even says banned in it as a joke. as long as his behavior is better, which it has been even if only marginal, there won’t be an issue. even if he does nearly single handedly cause most of the 5+ page… debates
Once in a while I venture their forums as a morbid curiosity and it always delivers.
What part of any of those opinions is toxic? Lol. If your feelings get hurt because of your parasocialtechnological relationship with software you didn’t even write, take it up with your therapist.
Did you not see how that turned from a really inconsequential disagreement to something emotional and personal almost immediately?
Sure, no single post was particularly toxic on its own. It’s the holy war tenor of discussions on Phoronix that all but guarantees that every discussion ends up as a flame war.
None of that is emotional or personal because I don’t personally identify with software you weirdo.
a hit dog will holler.
Anything vaguely interested in fostering a diversity, equity, and inclusion = true colors come out in full force.
if you don’t understand how this is toxic then you are dumb as dogshit
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Fyi, you’ve linked to page 4, here’s where it starts.
I hope the phoronix forums never die
Man, that guy really likes X11.
Any “X11 vs Wayland” discussion will eventually devolve into a fight beteeen diehard X11 fans and diehard Wayland fans, lol.
I don’t even understand how Wayland has diehard fans. Do they just exit out from their hyperland rice into an X11 session whenever they need to share their screen during a Teams meeting, or do they just say “if it doesn’t work on Wayland it sucks and I don’t use it”.
Although, screen sharing has been solved a while ago. Any application that doesn’t work is because the developers are shit (I am looking into you, zoom and you half-assed implementation using an screenshot-API-based gnome-only implementation).
That’s hilarious.
“Mozilla is allowing you the option to build Firefox without X11 dependencies”
“Mozilla hates freedom!!!”
I got to page 3 before I couldn’t take it anymore and had close 🤣
Nice
I couldn’t even read halfway past page 2.
I love Phoronix, but its forum is such a cesspool.
It takes whatever amount of posts is needed for something Wayland-related
Especially when the original article is about anything related to Rust. An hour after the article is live you’ll have 50 posts arguing and trolling like there’s nothing more important in the whole wide world. So entertaining!
Behold! The power of open source!
This is how the rest of the industry worked for years. Nvidia was just stuck in the past century.
NVIDIA is finally starting to play nicely with the community to help sort the driver mess out. Nouveau paired with NVK might actually be the future of NVIDIA graphics under Linux!
Might make me consider buying an Nvidia card in the future if they can get a reasonably performing and reliable in-kernel driver.
I still won’t buy one just because of this news - they have done lots, lots of shitty things in the past. GameWorks, PhysX, Geforce Partnership Program, etc. While AMD is not exactly a saint when it comes to open sourcing, they still commit far more than Nvidia to open standards.
They’ve been dicks for two decades, just playing a bit nicee doesn’t really change anything. If they work properly with open source, and enable proper in kernel drivers for the next decade or so I might consider buying something nvidia.
Nvidia has burned their reputation… Will take years to regain trust.
They are responsible for almost all issues new people have with Linux.
For me it was Gamestream. I literally didn’t even check AMD because Gamestream was so important to me. My next graphics card will be the first ever not from Nvidia.
From what I read, Sunshine is far from Gamestream.
So what are considered the most linux-friendly GPUs?
AMD GPUs have open source linux drivers meaning no extra configuration is needed on install. Some linux distros make setting up Nvidia really easy, but I ran into problems years ago. I think Nvidia is theoretically releasing open source drivers soon though
Like a specific GPU or brand?
Most AMD stuff is pretty solid using the AMDGPU driver, including stuff from the RX4xx series onward plus various APU’s pretty my own experience.
Intel stuff is usually ok but I’ve run into some weirdness with the Atom and some other stuff with integrated graphics
They all work. It doesn’t matter. Just pick the one that fits your usage pattern.
Not true, AMD works out of the box with almost every distro. Nvidia doesn’t work out of the box on a lot (Debian for example)
Nvidia doesn’t work out of the box on a lot (Debian for example)
But it DOES work. Debian/Arch/etc push the responsibility to the user to finish setting things up (kernel command lines, drivers, etc). How exactly is that an Nvidia problem and not just distros sticking it to their users resulting in user anger towards Nvidia?
Nothing “works out of the box” on an operating system without the OS installation process using auto-detection to guide the users through the additional steps required to setup WiFi, Bluetooth, etc. Yet for some reason when it comes to hardware GPU acceleration, the Linux distro response is just “fuck, Nvidia? figure it out yourself, I can’t be arsed to add the required config files and kernel command params”.
It does work with the nouveau driver and will display your desktop just fine.
If you want to play GTA, just add the nVidia repo that literally every distribution has.
It’s kinda wholesome ngl
forms
Two mistakes in one word.
This is the most Phoronix forums like comment I have seen so far LOL
Legends says that there is a forum post about an article that not begins with “typo:”
For the Greater Good !
the Greater Good
Shut it!
All I see is two people failing their corporately mandated cyber security training at the same time.
If part of their job is working with the OSS community I don’t see anything wrong (and I just finished my annual training a few weeks ago, so it’s still fresh in my mind).
Edit: keeping an “official” repo secret does seem like an issue, but public posts about the correct process to contribute upstream doesn’t seem like a problem.
Does that mean we’ll get more and better firmware updates? Please explain like I’m no firmware dev.
Not really. Instead of dumping all the drivers into one repo, there’s now a separate repo just for GPU drivers, which is just a staging area, before they get merged into the main repo.
If you ask “why”? It’s like creating an extra folder so that your files are organized better.
As an end user, it’s not going to change anything for us.
It does mean you are more likely to get eyeballs on your driver from other people doing graphics card driver work. That usually results in higher quality and a higher likelihood of catching issues.
Only if they know about the repo, and apparently the Nvidia employee responsible for submitting patches upstream didn’t.
Maybe that’s why their drivers are so bad? /s
This is the way
Lol
