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    Again, no one said anything about voting for republicans. How about you try on this hypothetical:

    You’re president of the USA and the country that receives the highest amount of your foreign aid is committing genocide. If you continue sending billions in dollars and weapons then you lose votes, but if you stop supporting genocide, then you gain votes. How do you president?

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      But I’m not the president, I’m a voter. I’m not talking to the president, I’m taking to a voter. Hypotheticals about being the president offer no insight into beneficial behavior for myself or the one I’m taking to. Hypotheticals about voting strategy do.

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          No-genocide hasn’t been on the ballot for many, many years. Turns out, the voters who feel strongly enough about this particular genocide for it to affect their vote are a fairly small fraction with characteristically low turnout anyway. Sadly, not really worth actively pursuing as a candidate.

          Your choices are between measured diplomatic tolerance of genocide, and enthusiastic acceleration of genocide (with a couple other genocides thrown in too). It’s a close race. No genocide doesn’t have a chance, and voting no genocide increases the odds of enthusiastic acceleration of genocide.

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            No-genocide is on the ballot right now and it’s being made loud and clear, but biden is choosing to ignore it and people like you are trying to shame the people who care about genocide into not caring about it with hogwash like this:

            measured diplomatic tolerance of genocide

            That is a ridiculous string of words.

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              I care about genocide, which is why I’m trying to minimize it by preventing Trump from getting into office. Y’know, they guy who thinks Israel should’ve gotten it over with already? People like you are trying to shame voters into letting the guy who wants more genocide into office. Congratulations, you’re voting for more-genocide.

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                I care about genocide, which is why I’m rewarding the guy sidestepping congress to supply and fund genocide with my vote. More genocide, please!

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                    I’m not increasing shit. Biden is increasing the odds by seeing vast swatches of voters say “genocide is bad” and telling them to eat a dick.

                    One day, you blue MAGA types will grow up and realize this whole “only WE can save America and if you don’t vote how we say its actually YOUR fault” shtick is just as fascist as the types you claim to be saving us from.

                    Biden is working to remove red tape from stripping leftist orgs of nonprofit status, and to make ANY criticism of Israel legally antisemitic so they can strip any college that “allows” protests of funding and accreditation. Both moves are fascist as fuck, but y’all don’t actually mind fascism that benefits you - Thats why you all dedicate your time to attacking leftists, your politics and Republican politics are 95% the same. Same reason Biden will never find a “red line,” dems would rather a Republican win then move left even a pinch.

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        Don’t bother with them. They’re just a bad-faith actor who goes everywhere they can to peddle “Well, aktually, voting for MORE genocide is GOOD” bullshite.

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              Are you bragging about not understanding American elections, being an actual fascist, or deliberately voting against your personal interests? It’s gotta be the fascism right? Who would brag about being ignorant or counterproductive?

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                None of the above. I understand how this country’s electoral system works. I’m also a socialist farthest thing that could be from a fascist.

                Did you just throw a bunch of random questions out there because you’re a dumbass? Just kidding, I already know the answer is yes 🤣

                Counterproductive to what genocide?

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                  Basic logic. Third parties aren’t viable in American presidential elections because of the spoiler effect present in our FPTP system. That means that you’re happy to say you’re voting third party because 1. You don’t understand this basic fact 2. You do understand this basic fact, but it doesn’t bother you because enabling the fascist voting block by throwing your vote away pleases you. 1 is self-explanatory, 2 is explained by either being a fascist yourself, or by being masochistically pleased by enabling fascists against your interests.

                  Being an actual socialist, who is against fascism, is incompatible with voting third party. Which means you either don’t understand the electoral system (ignorant) or you do but you’re enabling the fascist genocide accelerationists anyway (counterproductive).

                  Once again, splitting the vote to try to “teach the Democrats a lesson” is precisely what the Republicans want, since it increases their chances of winning. Another thing the Republicans want, once they win, is to wipe Palestine off the face of the earth, which is objectively worse for Palestinians (total-genocide) than Democrats (historic status quo of mild genocide). Total casualties are presently a relatively small proportion of Palestinians, that proportion will increase significantly under the MAGA administration.

                  MAGA increases genocide, splitting left vote to third party enables MAGA. Voting third party is counterproductive to fighting Palestinian genocide, Q.E.D.

                  Whose alt account are you? Don’t you get your pay docked for being this obvious?