And yet somehow, instead of being mad at the elements of our government that blocked the yellow line, or asking who in government we can promote who’s further left than Biden and how we can realistically get those people into a position to win power, some people are purely angry at Biden about it
My thoughts exactly. 4 years of a democratic president (and Joe Manchin + Kyrsten Sinema being sticks in the mud) got the blue line to where it is now. That doesn’t mean it stays there forever. Another 4 years of a democratic executive and legislative branch will get us much closer to that yellow line.
We have to keep pushing forward and prevent the country from doing significant environmental backsliding like it did in 2016-2020.
Nobody cares more about Hillary Clinton than the white twitter leftist who’s still mad that their protest vote for stein didn’t do shit to hold anyone accountable and just kick-started the new era of American backsliding.
Same reason people are pissed at Biden for every handling of <insert problem here> that 100% falls within the domain of another governmental branch. Currently the executive branch is sorta Atlasing our entire government which requires them to severely overreach their powers opening them up to checks and balances by the other highly sabotaged branches that both seemingly wish to force our entire government to accomplish nothing. The most publicized example of this is three student loan forgiveness package that Biden’s administration tried to pass that got blocked, though there are lots of other examples.
The reality is that the executive branch as a whole has very little long term reach and we need to be pressuring Congress to do literally anything at all. The only time I’m going to look at Biden and say “this is his fault” is when I see Congress pass a bill doing something like sending an aid package to Gaza and/or Ukraine, only to have him refuse to sign. Which I suspect he’d actually just sign something like that through. We’ll never know for sure because two of our federal branches are too busy playing something vaguely resembling a game of football where the ball is a 50 lb boulder and everyone’s screaming that they keep subbing their toes on on it.
The bottom line is that people need to vote at every level
Pretty consistently the stopping point in achieving a lot of good has been the margin at which one singular person is able to halt everything.
Republicans barely have to do anything to backslide our democracy and meanwhile the democrats apparently have to end up spectacular in every conceivable way to achieve keeping the fucking lights on and some woefully under-publicized gains.
There needs to be some serious talk about reshaping the republic as all these octogenarians begin to finally drop, because it’s quite obvious that the current federal model has aged out of what clarity the founding fathers may have seen in it. We need leaders on this movement, and we need solid objectives that are clear to the movement.
It’s not like you’d get a majority with a yellow line candidate anyway because people would realize that the measures required for this course would severely affect them too.
Literally yeah. If you have any sort of control over it. We do. I’d take slow over quick any day unless I was suicidal. So there’s a rather large hole in your ideology right there.
That’s assuming it’s just a candle. Again, the analogy is flawed on multiple levels. Downplaying the harm that democrats do when they still primarily cater to the rich is disingenuous.
No one is down playing that. You’re simply denying that they’re the best option we currently have afforded to us.
And the fact that we have an argument being made. Of which you would rather die to a candle or lava. Perfectly encapsulates the inanity of the whole argument. It’s like saying which would you rather fight a kitten or a tiger. And then claiming you’d rather fight the tiger because it would kill you faster. And I’m like dude you can kill the kitten really easy. It’s self-defeating. Or at least you’re trying to get people to defeat themselves with such a weak argument.
We’re not going to sabotage ourselves to enable the status quo. We’re going to come for their seats. It may take years. But better to work with what we have to achieve the best we can do. Then to lay down and die because we can’t have the perfect thing.
The “best option” is not good enough and will not lead to the outcome you think it will. That’s why downplaying it as just a candle is ridiculous. It’s like when people say “if you put in the hard work then you will be rewarded”. That’s up to the whims of the system. Of course we should keep voting for democrats every time, but we should be realistic on how far that approach will actually take us.
How can we “put out” the harm that democrats cause when they cater to their rich donors? Come up with a better analogy. Handwaving it as hyperbole doesn’t make it any less of a terrible analogy.
It’s not my fault you misunderstood a pretty simple analogy, but fine, I’ll do it without the analogy. There are two choices. One is bad. One is worse. Neither are good, but they are not the same.
It still holds for a campfire vs a house fire, or a small house fire vs a large house fire, or whatever scale you think things are. I’m curious how close you think the two paeties are though, because I don’t want to get sucked into a #bothsides discussion.
Biden aimed a lot closer to the yellow line than he got; the fact he was able to achieve legislation for the blue line in our current corporate-whore government is a goddamned miracle
And yet somehow, instead of being mad at the elements of our government that blocked the yellow line, or asking who in government we can promote who’s further left than Biden and how we can realistically get those people into a position to win power, some people are purely angry at Biden about it
I wonder why
My thoughts exactly. 4 years of a democratic president (and Joe Manchin + Kyrsten Sinema being sticks in the mud) got the blue line to where it is now. That doesn’t mean it stays there forever. Another 4 years of a democratic executive and legislative branch will get us much closer to that yellow line.
We have to keep pushing forward and prevent the country from doing significant environmental backsliding like it did in 2016-2020.
Fucking Krysten Sinema. FFS.
POS sold all her values at the first whiff of oil cash. Fucking soulless ghoul
be sure to also be mad at Hillary Clinton that also is relevant and a move towards progress
Nobody cares more about Hillary Clinton than the white twitter leftist who’s still mad that their protest vote for stein didn’t do shit to hold anyone accountable and just kick-started the new era of American backsliding.
* white Twitter person-pretending-to-be-a-leftist
Unfortunately, there are stupid leftists. Denying it doesn’t help, I’ve tried.
That’s my secret, spujb, I’m always mad at everyone
shits pants, rips off shirt, and punches a lobster in the face
weirdchamp but ok
Super relevant yes
Like everyone I know on the left, I make sure to follow her Twitter and care about what she posts
Same reason people are pissed at Biden for every handling of <insert problem here> that 100% falls within the domain of another governmental branch. Currently the executive branch is sorta Atlasing our entire government which requires them to severely overreach their powers opening them up to checks and balances by the other highly sabotaged branches that both seemingly wish to force our entire government to accomplish nothing. The most publicized example of this is three student loan forgiveness package that Biden’s administration tried to pass that got blocked, though there are lots of other examples.
The reality is that the executive branch as a whole has very little long term reach and we need to be pressuring Congress to do literally anything at all. The only time I’m going to look at Biden and say “this is his fault” is when I see Congress pass a bill doing something like sending an aid package to Gaza and/or Ukraine, only to have him refuse to sign. Which I suspect he’d actually just sign something like that through. We’ll never know for sure because two of our federal branches are too busy playing something vaguely resembling a game of football where the ball is a 50 lb boulder and everyone’s screaming that they keep subbing their toes on on it.
You mean like the senate, which biden was part of, and who helped create many of the problems we have now while he was in the senate?
The bottom line is that people need to vote at every level
Pretty consistently the stopping point in achieving a lot of good has been the margin at which one singular person is able to halt everything.
Republicans barely have to do anything to backslide our democracy and meanwhile the democrats apparently have to end up spectacular in every conceivable way to achieve keeping the fucking lights on and some woefully under-publicized gains.
There needs to be some serious talk about reshaping the republic as all these octogenarians begin to finally drop, because it’s quite obvious that the current federal model has aged out of what clarity the founding fathers may have seen in it. We need leaders on this movement, and we need solid objectives that are clear to the movement.
iirc a decent number of them expected it to be revised regularly, so we’re actually overdue compared to their expectations
He asked exactly as you say - “how to vote for the yellow line”
It’s not like you’d get a majority with a yellow line candidate anyway because people would realize that the measures required for this course would severely affect them too.
Biden’s literally a yellow line candidate he just doesn’t have a yellow line congress.
This is hilariously delusional.
Is that why Biden forced federal workers back into the office? Republicans made him do it?
Rhetorical, I know, but fascists and their useful idiots.
We’re mad as hell at all politicians. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
Who’s “we”? I’m certainly not mad as hell at all politicians.
I’m not mad, I’m just disappointed
Bro looks at a candle and goes “nah, there’s no difference” as he jumps into a volcano instead
Are you saying being slowly burned to death by a candle is better than a quick death? Your analogy is flawed on multiple levels.
Literally yeah. If you have any sort of control over it. We do. I’d take slow over quick any day unless I was suicidal. So there’s a rather large hole in your ideology right there.
That’s assuming it’s just a candle. Again, the analogy is flawed on multiple levels. Downplaying the harm that democrats do when they still primarily cater to the rich is disingenuous.
No one is down playing that. You’re simply denying that they’re the best option we currently have afforded to us.
And the fact that we have an argument being made. Of which you would rather die to a candle or lava. Perfectly encapsulates the inanity of the whole argument. It’s like saying which would you rather fight a kitten or a tiger. And then claiming you’d rather fight the tiger because it would kill you faster. And I’m like dude you can kill the kitten really easy. It’s self-defeating. Or at least you’re trying to get people to defeat themselves with such a weak argument.
We’re not going to sabotage ourselves to enable the status quo. We’re going to come for their seats. It may take years. But better to work with what we have to achieve the best we can do. Then to lay down and die because we can’t have the perfect thing.
The “best option” is not good enough and will not lead to the outcome you think it will. That’s why downplaying it as just a candle is ridiculous. It’s like when people say “if you put in the hard work then you will be rewarded”. That’s up to the whims of the system. Of course we should keep voting for democrats every time, but we should be realistic on how far that approach will actually take us.
Erm ackshually your obvious hyperbole was hyperbolic
Also no. A candle can simply be put out if it’s burning you.
How can we “put out” the harm that democrats cause when they cater to their rich donors? Come up with a better analogy. Handwaving it as hyperbole doesn’t make it any less of a terrible analogy.
It’s not my fault you misunderstood a pretty simple analogy, but fine, I’ll do it without the analogy. There are two choices. One is bad. One is worse. Neither are good, but they are not the same.
Your stupid analogy is very easy to understand, it’s just wrong in terms of scale.
Hyperbanalogy
It still holds for a campfire vs a house fire, or a small house fire vs a large house fire, or whatever scale you think things are. I’m curious how close you think the two paeties are though, because I don’t want to get sucked into a #bothsides discussion.