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    8 months ago

    And depending on your county/state, your vote will do nothing, or help trump. Enjoy.

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      my vote will add one to the vote total of the candidate for whom i vote. unless that person is trump (it won’t be), then i am voting against trump.

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        That’s fun fairy time, but it isn’t reality. You need to research how game theory, and the availability (or lack) of true choice works.

        You are literally at the precipice of “do I like the giant douche, or the turd sandwich”. You cannot have anything else.

        Edit in some cases (location dependant) chosing a third means you implicitly choose the distant other

        I.e. if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

        Another flavor: if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump. You are feeding the uncertainty of contest.

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          if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

          wrong. only a vote for trump helps trump

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            Literally uneducated response.

            I described the situation earlier with you.

            If your third party vote is closer to Biden than trump, you just spoiled Biden, thus aiding trump.

            This is so simple

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              Literally uneducated response.

              you’re literally lying about how votes are counted

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                I’ve made quite clear that location matters. I’ve been consistent on that.

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                Prove me wrong, shame me. Display any example of a constrained 2 outcome system where non participation results in non 4 variant outcome.

                Help Biden hurt Biden Help trump hurt trump.

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                  Help Biden hurt Biden Help trump hurt trump.

                  repeating this is starting to feel like i’m being trolled

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                  Display any example of a constrained 2 outcome system where non participation results in non 4 variant outcome.

                  society is not a constrained 2 outcome system. your entire premise is wrong.

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          if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump

          this is election misinformation. only a vote for trump is a vote for trump

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            You’ll need to defend that. It’s not supported empirically or theoretically.

            That is the shortest vision you could possibly have. True crabs in a bucket brain.

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              ou’ll need to defend that. It’s not supported empirically or theoretically.

              you’re spreading election misinformation. a vote for cornel west cannot be counted as a vote for trump.

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          game theory

          game theory does not actually describe how people do or should act. it is an academic exercise that you should leave to the academy

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            My dude you are living it. This is the most present and surface example of game theory existing out of academia

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              if game theory dictated human behavior, and if you are right about the options and outcomes, then no one would vote third party. so either you’re wrong about the options and outcomes, or game theory doesn’t dictate human behavior

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                In many countries, third parties are very viable. In this particular election, in the US, they are not.

                Game theory happens to humans weather they acknowledge it or not. What you are experiencing is the illusion of choice in an outcome constrained system.

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                  there is no point in bickering about this. go read the wikipedia article and argue with the editors there.

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                    Agree. You WILL see Biden or trump as the next president. Depending on where you live, your may have helped that along. You may not like what your helped.

                    I am not wrong. You are in a constrained system. You have no extra choices. Believe what you like, live with what you do.

                    Edit you’ve not once suggested a meaningful rebuttal. You’re position is without merit.

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          You cannot have anything else.

          i will not do something immoral like vote for biden or trump.

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            I’m ready to keep helping you with this:

            Whatever you do, you are influencing the success of Biden or trump. There is nothing else.

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              if all you can see is the winner of the presidency in 2024, you have a miopic view. there are many possible outcomes and many possible futures, and who wins the election in november is inconsequential to almost all of it.

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                Are you discussing post election? I’ve commented on this in this thread. Leftists and progressives have work to do, today, and beyond the election to build a viable candidate.

                You are moving the goalposts by discussing the ever after, because nothing I’ve said to you means anything beyond the next vote. All m discussing is the next vote. Pretty shitty behavior to try to shift things like that.

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                  All m discussing is the next vote. Pretty shitty behavior to try to shift things like that.

                  i think it’s shitty to try to browbeat people into voting for immoral candidates. or to narrow the scope of the discussion to only one facet and ignore all the other outcomes and impacts.

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                    I’m educating you on how reality works. You’re effectively asking if you can invent a perpetual motion service, and I’m reciting the basic laws of thermodynamics